Re: [Flightgear-devel] New panel code

2002-06-26 Thread Andy Ross
David Megginson wrote: > 1. Can you post a copy of your modified base-package files >(a4-yasim-set.xml and a4-blue.xml)? The -set files don't require any significant changes -- just remove the entries and that's it. The model files for the A-4 and 172 are attached. All they needed is a en

Re: [Flightgear-devel] jitters testing

2002-06-26 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson writes: > "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > It seems strange that everything else in the cockpit and 3d model of > > the aircraft is perfectly stable and only this one instrument is > > jittery. > > > That's an optical illusion. Turn off the panel and you'll see that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] jitters testing

2002-06-26 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: > It seems strange that everything else in the cockpit and 3d model of > the aircraft is perfectly stable and only this one instrument is > jittery. Actually, the whole cockpit is jittering. The ball just has more high-frequency information to catch your eye. The panel do

Re: [Flightgear-devel] jitters testing

2002-06-26 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: > On further investigation, it appears that this is almost certainly due to > normal variation in fdm position and orientation output. This theory doesn't work though. Think about it: in cockpit mode, the orientation of the aircraft is "bolted" to the FDM orientation. If the F

Re: [Flightgear-devel] jitters testing

2002-06-26 Thread Jim Wilson
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > It seems strange that everything else in the cockpit and 3d model of > the aircraft is perfectly stable and only this one instrument is > jittery. > That's an optical illusion. Turn off the panel and you'll see that the whole cockpit jitters in unis

Re: [Flightgear-devel] jitters testing

2002-06-26 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson writes: > On further investigation, it appears that this is almost certainly due to > normal variation in fdm position and orientation output. The variations are > probably correct, but the way 3D rendering works you get what appears to be a > jump when a pixel boundry is crossed. Thi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer Engine project started

2002-06-26 Thread Curtis L. Olson
ace project writes: > In my previous mail ("Multplayer efforts ?") We asked > for the status on multiplayer-capabilities. We > received responses that suggested that such an engine > was not maintained for a while. > > We ourselves could use the engine for adding NPC to > the project, but thats

Re: [Flightgear-devel] jitters testing

2002-06-26 Thread Jim Wilson
Jim Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > This tells me the problem is most likely in plib, or at least plib > is where we send these numbers. > On further investigation, it appears that this is almost certainly due to normal variation in fdm position and orientation output. The variations are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] jitters testing

2002-06-26 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson writes: > Setting all the view offsets to 0 I was able to prove that the > position/rotation matrices generated on the model and the camera are > numerically identical. Here's a sample from the dump: > > POS Aircraft > 0.823776 -0.150286 -0.546632 0.00 > 0.468893 0.722572 0.507965

[Flightgear-devel] jitters testing

2002-06-26 Thread Jim Wilson
Setting all the view offsets to 0 I was able to prove that the position/rotation matrices generated on the model and the camera are numerically identical. Here's a sample from the dump: POS Aircraft 0.823776 -0.150286 -0.546632 0.00 0.468893 0.722572 0.507965 0.00 0.318641 -0.674762 0.66

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A-4C attitude indicator

2002-06-26 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 15:15, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 14:08, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > > The helio courier also has this feature. The leading edge slats are > > > split so you have two per wing ... four total acting independently of > > > each other. Depending on a varie

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A-4C attitude indicator

2002-06-26 Thread John Wojnaroski
> Two per wing, all independent? Sounds like a lot of potential for > lateral control hell > Not really. The slats slide along tracks and their weight keeps them in the extended position. Part of the walk-around is to push up on the slats and note free and easy movement. Air pressure against

RE: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: C172P Hi-Res Panel Photos

2002-06-26 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Ryan Larson writes: > I can get hires photos of a Warrior, Archer, Arrow, Grumman Tiger, > Beechcraft Sierra, C182, C172R, C172RG, Mooney 201, Saratoga II and possibly > an Aztec F. > > I love my new flying club! > > What do we have and what do we need? Would it also be helpful to get hires > p

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A-4C attitude indicator

2002-06-26 Thread Curtis L. Olson
> On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 14:08, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > The helio courier also has this feature. The leading edge slats are > > split so you have two per wing ... four total acting independently of > > each other. Depending on a variety of factors, each of the four could > > deploy/retract at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A-4C attitude indicator

2002-06-26 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 14:08, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Andy Ross writes: > > * For safety. The A-4 had automatic slats that were retracted by > > aerodynamic force -- they dropped automatically at low airspeeds and > > high AoA's. On the ground, they just hung open. This was a great > > id

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spiffy new panel gadget

2002-06-26 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: > David Megginson wrote: > > Andy Ross writes: > > > + It's so close to the near clip plane that the precision errors cause > > > nasty jittering; this happens to the rest of the cockpit geometry > > > too. Honestly, I think this is probably unavoidable. We should > > > really

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spiffy new panel gadget

2002-06-26 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: > I should explain the problem a little better. What's happening is > that there is no place to put a normal vector in the .ac file. The > plib loader thus has to generate its own normals by averaging the > normals of each polygon attached to a vertex. For vertices that are >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A-4C attitude indicator

2002-06-26 Thread Gene Buckle
> that is simple and effective. I've always thought it would be kind of > fun to impliment something like this on an R/C model, not that the > typical R/C model would need them ... > I once saw an F-4 with controllable slats - they weren't automagic though. The Bf-109 and Me-110 has aerodynamic

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A-4C attitude indicator

2002-06-26 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: > * For safety. The A-4 had automatic slats that were retracted by > aerodynamic force -- they dropped automatically at low airspeeds and > high AoA's. On the ground, they just hung open. This was a great > idea for maintenance purposes, but left open the possibility tha

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Remove .cvsignore?

2002-06-26 Thread David Megginson
Cameron Moore writes: > Personally, I agree with Fred. The number of people who will actually > be using a custom cvsignore will be far fewer than those of us who will > not. That seems to be the consensus -- I won't remove them. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Remove .cvsignore?

2002-06-26 Thread Cameron Moore
Personally, I agree with Fred. The number of people who will actually be using a custom cvsignore will be far fewer than those of us who will not. Can you make your custom cvsignore read-only so cvs can't stomp on it? * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frederic BOUVIER) [2002.06.26 07:09]: > Yes, but people

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Remove .cvsignore?

2002-06-26 Thread julianfoad
> FYI > the FlightGear 'configure' is designed to be able to be run in > a directory other then then the CVS source tree. That sounds well worth a try. Thanks. > This has several advantages amongst them keeping the source > tree MUCH cleaner :-) And being able to keep a debug build and a relea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Remove .cvsignore?

2002-06-26 Thread Frederic BOUVIER
Yes, but people can always modify their own version, even if they are already in CVS. I still don't see the benefit of having all those ? lines. If you want to remove the burden of maintaining per-directory .cvsignore, put one in /CVSROOT and you're set for the whole tree. Cheers, -Fred >Mess

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Remove .cvsignore?

2002-06-26 Thread David Megginson
Frederic Bouvier writes: > What is the rational of doing that ? To let people create their own, local, customized .cvsignore files instead (those who care, that is). All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ _

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Remove .cvsignore?

2002-06-26 Thread Norman Vine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wwrites: > >I have found it generally useful to have them provided, and >have wished the plib would do the same (for .deps directories, >in particular). FYI the FlightGear 'configure' is designed to be able to be run in a directory other then then the CVS source tree. This has

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Remove .cvsignore?

2002-06-26 Thread julianfoad
I don't mind either way. I have found it generally useful to have them provided, and have wished the plib would do the same (for .deps directories, in particular). However, I have only ever worked on small patches, never adding files, so I have never needed to take note of the "?" and "unknown

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Glut font format

2002-06-26 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: > >Norman Vine wrote: >> I think that you will find that inorder to get 'high quality' fonts >> one needs to use a vector based font directly. The only problem in >> doing this is that the polygon count goes up considerably. > >Have you tried the antialiased fonts in KDE, WinXP

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Remove .cvsignore?

2002-06-26 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* David Megginson -- Wednesday 26 June 2002 03:10: > I now think that was a mistake, since people probably want > their own, local, customized .cvsignore files if they want any at > all. Huh?? You think that everybody should maintain his own .cvsignore files now? They are supposed to list all fi