[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-29 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior Franz wrote: > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Airport > In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv27845 > Modified Files: > beacon.xml beacon.ac Jon, are you going to update the respective entry in our database ? Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective abo

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon Stockill -- Sunday 29 May 2005 20:38: > Martin Spott wrote: > > Melchior Franz wrote: > > > Modified Files: > > > beacon.xml beacon.ac > > > > Jon, are you going to update the respective entry in our database ? > > [...] there are database entries for the objects in the base package just

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon Stockill -- Sunday 29 May 2005 21:02: > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > With these changes most of the 950 faces are invisible to the ground cache. > > There's only a simple invisible pyramid instead for intersection tests. > Is this something that people should consider for any high poly > struc

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml , 1.8,

2005-05-29 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Frederic Bouvier -- Sunday 29 May 2005 21:32: > Melchior FRANZ a écrit : > > >In less verbosity: this technique does only make sense for objects with high > >face > >*density*, not high face *number*. > > > The beacon has a lot of vertical, or near vertical, faces. I saw them when I edited i

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-31 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Sunday 29 May 2005 21:23: > * Jon Stockill -- Sunday 29 May 2005 21:02: > > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > With these changes most of the 950 faces are invisible to the ground > > > cache. > > > There's only a simple invisible pyramid instead for intersection tests. > > > Is this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-29 Thread Jon Stockill
Martin Spott wrote: Melchior Franz wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Airport In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv27845 Modified Files: beacon.xml beacon.ac Jon, are you going to update the respective entry in our database ? It's not in there. Though there are database

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-29 Thread Jon Stockill
Melchior FRANZ wrote: For those who care: these changes to the beacon solve one of the recently discussed problems with hanging FDM: The beacon is a quite expensive structure. It consists of about 1000 vertices and 950 triangles, all on the same spot. When you fly over a beacon, the ground cache

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-29 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Melchior FRANZ a écrit : In less verbosity: this technique does only make sense for objects with high face *density*, not high face *number*. The beacon has a lot of vertical, or near vertical, faces. -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Fl

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-29 Thread Jon Berndt
> Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > For those who care: these changes to the beacon solve one of the recently > > discussed problems with hanging FDM: The beacon is a quite expensive > > structure. > > It consists of about 1000 vertices and 950 triangles, all on the same spot. > > When you fly over a b

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-29 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: "Jon Berndt" > > > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > > > For those who care: these changes to the beacon solve one of the recently > > > discussed problems with hanging FDM: The beacon is a quite expensive > > > structure. > > > It consists of about 1000 vertices and 950 triangles, all on the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-29 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Montag 30 Mai 2005 03:55, Jim Wilson wrote: > To answer your question, the "ground cache" is for the benefit of the > pilot. :-) I could not say that better!!! :) Greetings Mathias -- Mathias Fröhlich, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-30 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon Berndt -- Monday 30 May 2005 00:26: > > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > When you fly over a beacon, the ground cache has to eat all these > > > triangles, > > > which makes the FDM stutter or even hang. > Is the "ground cache" for the benefit of the FDM? The FDMs are currently the only users

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-30 Thread Dave Culp
> Still, I didn't mean to blame the problems on the > FDMs. I just called it "FDM stuttering" because this is what the user sees > (and because the ground-cache code is in the FDM/ directory :-) But the FDM > only stuttered, because it wasn't called in time, because of unfortunate > groundcache/bea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-30 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Dave Culp -- Monday 30 May 2005 09:27: > The groundcache/beacon interaction was only effecting the Yasim FDM, correct? I've only tested it with YASim (bo105, b1900d) where I saw it before, but not after "fixing" it. I can't say if it happened with JSBSim, although I use both regularly. m.

RE: [Flightgear-devel]Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-30 Thread Jon Berndt
> > Is the "ground cache" for the benefit of the FDM? > > The FDMs are currently the only users of the groundcache, and yes, they > benefit from it. A lot. Per-wheel/contact-point ground awareness hadn't been > done before Mathias implemented the ground cache. And probably it would have > been a bi

Re: [Flightgear-devel]Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-30 Thread Jon Stockill
Jon Berndt wrote: Is the "ground cache" for the benefit of the FDM? The FDMs are currently the only users of the groundcache, and yes, they benefit from it. A lot. Per-wheel/contact-point ground awareness hadn't been done before Mathias implemented the ground cache. And probably it would have b

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-30 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 30 May 2005 08:50:43 +0200, Melchior wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * Jon Berndt -- Monday 30 May 2005 00:26: > > > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > > When you fly over a beacon, the ground cache has to eat all > > > > these triangles, which makes the FDM stutter or even hang. > > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel]Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-30 Thread Lee Elliott
On Monday 30 May 2005 13:21, Jon Stockill wrote: > Jon Berndt wrote: > >>>Is the "ground cache" for the benefit of the FDM? > >> > >>The FDMs are currently the only users of the groundcache, > >> and yes, they benefit from it. A lot. > >> Per-wheel/contact-point ground awareness hadn't been done >

RE: [Flightgear-devel]Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-30 Thread Jon Berndt
> On Monday 30 May 2005 13:21, Jon Stockill wrote: > > I'm not certain the area that the ground cache covers, but I > > suspect it has applications beyond just contact points. ISTR > > Lee was wanting to know ground elevation a distance ahead of > > the aircraft for the terrain following mode of th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-30 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Montag 30 Mai 2005 08:50, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > The FDMs are currently the only users of the groundcache, and yes, they > benefit from it. A lot. Per-wheel/contact-point ground awareness hadn't > been done before Mathias implemented the ground cache. And probably it > would have been a big per

Re: [Flightgear-devel]Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Airport beacon.xml, 1.8,

2005-05-30 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Montag 30 Mai 2005 14:21, Jon Stockill wrote: > I'm not certain the area that the ground cache covers, but I suspect it > has applications beyond just contact points. ISTR Lee was wanting to > know ground elevation a distance ahead of the aircraft for the terrain > following mode of the TSR2s au