Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread James Sleeman
Curtis Olson wrote: > > Here's a question: Does a 3rd party have the right to ask for the > modified source code, even if none of the entities receiving the > modified program don't care to ask for the source code? Anybody who gets the binary is under the GPL entitled to the source - "gets the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [RFC] ac3d and materials

2009-03-17 Thread Tim Moore
Mathias Fröhlich wrote: > Hi Tim, > > On Monday 16 March 2009 22:43:22 Tim Moore wrote: >> I'm working on something that might completely ignore the material settings >> in the .ac file, but I think that's OK. I'm adding support for effects >> files that specify, in addition to the material and pa

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon S. Berndt -- Tuesday 17 March 2009: > Everyone must have access to the source code. Only those who got the binary, directly or indirectly. From the FAQ http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#RedistributedBinariesGetSource: | My friend got a GPL-covered binary with an offer to supply sourc

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 14:11:38 Ron Jensen wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 13:43 +0100, Stefan Seifert wrote: > > On Tuesday 17 March 2009 13:34:19 Curtis Olson wrote: > > > Here's a question: Does a 3rd party have the > > > right to ask for the modified source code, even if none of the entities

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> On Tuesday 17 March 2009 13:34:19 Curtis Olson wrote: > > Here's a question: Does a 3rd party have the > > right to ask for the modified source code, even if none of the > entities > > receiving the modified program don't care to ask for the source code? > > In short: no. The GPL doesn't requir

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Ron Jensen
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 13:43 +0100, Stefan Seifert wrote: > On Tuesday 17 March 2009 13:34:19 Curtis Olson wrote: > > Here's a question: Does a 3rd party have the > > right to ask for the modified source code, even if none of the entities > > receiving the modified program don't care to ask for the

[Flightgear-devel] maketg and makefg scripts

2009-03-17 Thread Geoff McLane
Hi Arnt, >> Without reviewing the maketg logs of the form templogNN.txt, > ..doh! You still want my 1.0.2 logs? No, but it will always help on some items, to be able to 'see' the current log(s) if more errors. The 'log' you included with your 3rd email, seems to be from using maketg v 1.0.2??? T

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:34:19 -0500, Curtis wrote in message : > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > > > There are some things we need to know that aren’t described below. > > Was the FlightGear source modified? If not, then they would be > > distributing an existing FlightGe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 13:34:19 Curtis Olson wrote: > Here's a question: Does a 3rd party have the > right to ask for the modified source code, even if none of the entities > receiving the modified program don't care to ask for the source code? In short: no. The GPL doesn't require any rights f

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:23:09 -0500, Jon wrote in message <00a201c9a6ea$60534dc0$20f9e9...@net>: > There are some things we need to know that aren't described below. > Was the FlightGear source modified? If not, then they would be > distributing an existing FlightGear that anyone can download. All

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Curtis Olson
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > There are some things we need to know that aren’t described below. Was > the FlightGear source modified? If not, then they would be distributing an > existing FlightGear that anyone can download. All they need do is mention > where FlightGea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:09:55 +0100 (CET), Frederic wrote in message <26870652.2296231237277395051.javamail.r...@spooler4-g27.priv.proxad.net>: > - "Ron Jensen" a écrit : > If I can wear my Devil's advocate hat : What if the receiver of the > modified software doesn't require the sources ?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:08:02 +1100, George wrote in message <5b12e0960903161908h699b16a5n40dca9d26ef94...@mail.gmail.com>: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Curtis Olson > wrote: > > Here's a hypothetical question. > > > > Let's say some company "A" builds an internal product prototype that >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:30:55 -0500, Curtis wrote in message : > Here's a hypothetical question. > > Let's say some company "A" builds an internal product prototype that > incorporates FlightGear as part of a larger aggregate system. Let's > say they even make a few small changes to FlightGear.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Jon S. Berndt
There are some things we need to know that aren't described below. Was the FlightGear source modified? If not, then they would be distributing an existing FlightGear that anyone can download. All they need do is mention where FlightGear source can be obtained. If they have modified source code to F

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Tim Moore
Curtis Olson wrote: > Here's a hypothetical question. > > Let's say some company "A" builds an internal product prototype that > incorporates FlightGear as part of a larger aggregate system. Let's say > they even make a few small changes to FlightGear. Now they give away a > demo system to a co

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Brisa Francesco
James Sleeman ha scritto: > Curtis Olson wrote: > >> Has the GPL been violated? >> > Probably, [...] > > I absolutely agree with James: money, or demo releases are not kept in consideration when considering GPL Violation such Curtis scenario: If you legally obtain the binary you have th

[Flightgear-devel] About YASim Documentation

2009-03-17 Thread Jean-Baptiste Vallart
Hello there, In the YASim source code I found a mention to a TeX documentation. I was not able to find it on the Wiki, and googling gave no result. Does it exist, and where could I find it, please ? Cheerio, JB -- Apps b

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [RFC] ac3d and materials

2009-03-17 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Hi Tim, On Monday 16 March 2009 22:43:22 Tim Moore wrote: > I'm working on something that might completely ignore the material settings > in the .ac file, but I think that's OK. I'm adding support for effects > files that specify, in addition to the material and parameter properties we > have now

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [RFC] ac3d and materials

2009-03-17 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Hi Martin, On Monday 16 March 2009 21:25:06 Martin Spott wrote: > Now, we already have approx. 1k5 3D Scenery models, so chances are high > that quite a few are affected by such a change and I'd be happy to > apply an automated conversion if this is technically possible. Attached is the script I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Ron Jensen wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:30 -0500, Curtis Olson wrote: > > Here's a hypothetical question. > > > > Let's say some company "A" builds an internal product prototype that > > incorporates FlightGear as part of a larger aggregate system. > > Murky waters here. And a slippery sl

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Frederic Bouvier
- "Ron Jensen" a écrit : > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:30 -0500, Curtis Olson wrote: > > Here's a hypothetical question. > > > > Let's say some company "A" builds an internal product prototype > that > > incorporates FlightGear as part of a larger aggregate system. > > Murky waters here. And

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenStreetMap Open Database License

2009-03-17 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Rob, Rob Oates wrote: > Why not simply ship scenery compiled with the osm data under a different > license? A lot of what ends up in our Scenery is covered by the GPL and personally I don't feel like having our own license debate about how to deal with this stuff. This alone is, from my persp