[Flightgear-devel] NASA 3D models

2009-12-14 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Don't know if this has been mentioned before: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/3d_resources/3d-models-gallery.html Jon -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays you back Get the facts. http://p.sf.net/sfu/g

[Flightgear-devel] FYI: Contacting Counsel

2009-12-14 Thread J. Holden
I just wanted to drop a note I will be contacting the Software Freedom Law Center - http://www.softwarefreedom.org - on behalf of FlightGear. If you have any questions, comments or concerns please don't hesitate to email me -off the list-. Cheers John

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navaids update

2009-12-14 Thread Pete Morgan
Is nav.dat supposed to be updated from robin X-plane database? > > If nobody else is going to do that, I'll be updating the file from > Robin's most current package during our pre-release phase (however this > is going to be defined ). > > Can't the data be commited to CVS now ? pete ---

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nan-a-palooza

2009-12-14 Thread Csaba Halász
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:46 AM, John Denker wrote: > Status summary: > > 0) I merged in Jester's nan-fixes.  That was easy: >    git remote add -t nan-fixes jester > git://gitorious.org/~jester/fg/jesters-clone.git >    git pull jester >    make We want GIT! We want GIT! :D > 1) If I want to g

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement

2009-12-14 Thread George Patterson
2009/12/15 Scott Hamilton : > On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 21:30 +, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > > >    Being really really picky with English, the opening statement uses the > word "heavily" too often; it's not good style. As a suggestion of > replacement, perhaps; > > As many people will be aware, the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nan-a-palooza

2009-12-14 Thread John Denker
Status summary: 0) I merged in Jester's nan-fixes. That was easy: git remote add -t nan-fixes jester git://gitorious.org/~jester/fg/jesters-clone.git git pull jester make I have not explicitly disabled real-weather-fetch, but it appears to be non-enabled by default. The ai-traf

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement

2009-12-14 Thread Scott Hamilton
On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 21:30 +, Stuart Buchanan wrote: Being really really picky with English, the opening statement uses the word "heavily" too often; it's not good style. As a suggestion of replacement, perhaps; As many people will be aware, there is a new flight simulator product that i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement

2009-12-14 Thread John Denker
On 12/14/2009 02:30 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote in part: > Q: Is is legal to sell a copy of FlightGear, whether re-branded or not ? > A: > Yes. Technically, the purchaser is paying for the distribution of the Since we are not lawyers here, I would shy away from answering bluntly "yes" to a legal qu

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement

2009-12-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:30:50 + (GMT), Stuart wrote in message <724039.15837...@web26006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>: > Q: Is it legal for the makers of Flight Pro Sim to simply re-brand > FlightGear ? A: Yes. Under the GNU GPL v2 ..have you guys decide _against_ GPLv3 and GPLv2-and-later and instea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (was Re: FlightGear URL verification patch)

2009-12-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:24:23 +0100, Durk wrote in message <200912142224.24136.d.tal...@xs4all.nl>: > On Monday 14 December 2009 12:11:15 pm Stuart Buchanan wrote: > > > > I think one statement can easily be used for both purposes if > > written appropriately. > > Agreed. That's actually what I w

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (was Re: FlightGear URL verification patch)

2009-12-14 Thread Rob Shearman, Jr.
I think if we are deigning to say "Investigation by a number of the FlightGear developers has found no difference between this and the FlightGear v1.9.1 release other than a change of name."; then I also think that after "Under the GNU GPL v2 (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html), this is l

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement

2009-12-14 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Thanks to everyone who's commented so far: Vic Marriott wrote: > I hate to be the one to shout about bad English, but FlightGear is > either 'Free', or you can download it 'for nothing'. Please don't say > 'for free'. I think "for nothing" could have negative connotations. How about "at no

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (was Re: FlightGear URL verification patch)

2009-12-14 Thread Durk Talsma
On Monday 14 December 2009 12:11:15 pm Stuart Buchanan wrote: > > I think one statement can easily be used for both purposes if written > appropriately. Agreed. That's actually what I was thinking of. > > I'd appreciate feedback, even if it is only to agree with the wording of > the statement, t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement

2009-12-14 Thread Vic Marriott
I hate to be the one to shout about bad English, but FlightGear is either 'Free', or you can download it 'for nothing'. Please don't say 'for free'. Cheers, Vic -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Gear on Windows

2009-12-14 Thread Erik Hofman
Alan Teeder wrote: > VC90 build is very out of date and quite few new files and libraries have to > be added. Honestly try to stay away from the build files, mainly because I have no way to test them. I might completely break building for MSVC and note even know it (typo's are made easily). If

Re: [Flightgear-devel] simgear version number now a string

2009-12-14 Thread John Denker
Here's another way of getting the job done. This is tidier in the sense that it leaves simgear unchanged. commit cd0af70c868210f46584a1e5e922364b9f2e63ce Author: John Denker Date: Mon Dec 14 11:50:53 2009 -0700 Print SIMGEAR_VERSION as a string, even though it doesn't come with quote mar

Re: [Flightgear-devel] simgear version number now a string

2009-12-14 Thread John Denker
On 12/14/2009 11:08 AM, Csaba Halász wrote: > It is used in the *flightgear* configure.ac script. FG can't find > simgear anymore because it can't parse the version. Easy to fix there > but maybe other projects (such as terragear or fgrun) also depend on > it. A fully-compatible fix is attached b

Re: [Flightgear-devel] simgear version number now a string

2009-12-14 Thread Jacob Burbach
> It's a NaN! Sorry :) So now we know where all these NaN errors have been coming from! ;-) -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays you back Get the facts. http://p.sf.net/sfu/google-dev2dev _

Re: [Flightgear-devel] simgear version number now a string

2009-12-14 Thread Csaba Halász
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:54 PM, John Denker wrote: > > I tested it. It works fine chez moi. >  make clean ; ./configure --lots-of-options ; make > > Can somebody say in more detail what the problem is? > I can't even find anywhere it is used within simgear. It is used in the *flightgear* configu

Re: [Flightgear-devel] simgear version number now a string

2009-12-14 Thread John Denker
On 12/14/2009 10:30 AM, Erik Hofman wrote: > Csaba Halász wrote: >> The recent change which makes a string from the simgear version breaks >> FG configure. >> I don't think introducing an incompatible change to the version macro >> is a good idea. >> Erik, can you explain why you made the change? I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] simgear version number now a string

2009-12-14 Thread Erik Hofman
Csaba Halász wrote: > The recent change which makes a string from the simgear version breaks > FG configure. > I don't think introducing an incompatible change to the version macro > is a good idea. > Erik, can you explain why you made the change? I am aware that FG's > own version is a string, so

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Gear on Windows

2009-12-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:37:44 +0100, jean wrote in message <4b22c9b8.6050...@wanadoo.fr>: > Vivian Meazza a écrit : > > > > Geoff, > > > > I agree with all you have said, but would add the following: > > > > The reset bug has been sorted. > > > > The crash-on-exit bug has probably been sorted, but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Gear on Windows

2009-12-14 Thread Alan Teeder
It is strange that I am the only one reporting this fault, but it is still there. On both my Vista laptop and the XP box it fails if run from Visual C++ 2008 with "Debug" -> "Start Debugging". On the Vista laptop it also fails if I run the release build from fgrun , but only if sound is enabled

[Flightgear-devel] simgear version number now a string

2009-12-14 Thread Csaba Halász
The recent change which makes a string from the simgear version breaks FG configure. I don't think introducing an incompatible change to the version macro is a good idea. Erik, can you explain why you made the change? I am aware that FG's own version is a string, so I am guessing that might have be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPS find nearest.

2009-12-14 Thread Sébastien MARQUE
Thank you pointing this, I haven't seen it. Here is the patch to correct the mistake. Thanks in advance to commit it. best regards seb Victhor Foster wrote : Well, since this was a GPS-related thread, I decided to post this here instead of creating another thread :-) The zkv500's "Turnpoint"

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nan-a-palooza

2009-12-14 Thread Jacob Burbach
Dump of assembler code for function findcell: 0x0865f710 :push %ebp 0x0865f711 :mov%esp,%ebp 0x0865f713 :push %edi 0x0865f714 :xor%edi,%edi 0x0865f716 :push %esi 0x0865f717 :push %ebx 0x0865f718 :xor%ebx,%ebx 0x0865f71a :

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nan-a-palooza

2009-12-14 Thread Csaba Halász
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Jacob Burbach wrote: > I applied your hash patch, but no deuce. Then I have no idea why the code is loading the value. Got a new asm listing? :) -- Csaba/Jester -- Return on Information

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nan-a-palooza

2009-12-14 Thread Jacob Burbach
I applied your hash patch, but no deuce. Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. [Switching to Thread 0xb62cba20 (LWP 25297)] 0x0865f79c in findcell (hr=0x107b5490, key= {num = nan(0x56789123dabd8), ref = {ptr = {obj = 0x123dabd8, str = 0x123dabd8, vec = 0x123dabd8, hash = 0x

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Version number for the upcoming release

2009-12-14 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Hi, On Dec 14, 2009, at 7:18 AM, James Turner wrote: > One observation - the intention, at least mine and Tim's, is to move to > quarterly releases, so I have no intention of 'finishing' the route manager > for a particular release. (Regular release cycles take the pressure of > rushing to co

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nan-a-palooza

2009-12-14 Thread Csaba Halász
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Jacob Burbach wrote: > Not sure what you meant about gdb generating code to cause it, I get > the same error when run outside of gdb. Assembly of the function > below, if you need something else let me know. I meant gcc, sorry :) Thanks for the listing. Looks like

Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPS find nearest.

2009-12-14 Thread Victhor Foster
Well, since this was a GPS-related thread, I decided to post this here instead of creating another thread :-) The zkv500's "Turnpoint" screen works properly now. However, the navigation display won't show the distance to the waypoint. --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nan-a-palooza

2009-12-14 Thread Jacob Burbach
Not sure what you meant about gdb generating code to cause it, I get the same error when run outside of gdb. Assembly of the function below, if you need something else let me know. 0x0865ec50 :push %ebp 0x0865ec51 :mov%esp,%ebp 0x0865ec53 :push %edi 0x0865ec54 :

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Version number for the upcoming release

2009-12-14 Thread Csaba Halász
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jacob Burbach wrote: > I'm not a huge fan of > rolling over into double digits though, unless you started with double > digits to begin with. For example 1.09 to 1.10 is logical to me, but > 1.9.1 to 1.10 is not, I would expect 1.9.1 to be the newer in this > case

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (was Re: FlightGear URL verification patch)

2009-12-14 Thread Gene Buckle
> FlightGear is a open-source flight simulator that was started in 2006. 1996. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarlet

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (was Re: FlightGear URL

2009-12-14 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Stuart, just one minor nit (aside the one wrt. the date of birth), there's a useless blank here: > be downloaded for free from http:// www.flightgear.org. ^^^ Well done ! Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its frien

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nan-a-palooza

2009-12-14 Thread Csaba Halász
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Jacob Burbach wrote: > Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. > [Switching to Thread 0xb627aa20 (LWP 30813)] > 0x0865ece2 in findcell (hr=0xeb43550, key= >        {num = nan(0x567891077bfa8), ref = {ptr = {obj = 0x1077bfa8, > str = 0x1077bfa8, vec =

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navaids update

2009-12-14 Thread Martin Spott
Salut Jean, jean pellotier wrote: > Is nav.dat supposed to be updated from robin X-plane database? If nobody else is going to do that, I'll be updating the file from Robin's most current package during our pre-release phase (however this is going to be defined ). > here's a diff toward our

[Flightgear-devel] navaids update

2009-12-14 Thread jean pellotier
Hi, I've got a question about the navaids, particularly nav.dat. Is nav.dat supposed to be updated from robin X-plane database? The french missing navaids I submited to robin ( approach locators ) are included in recent nav.dat from X-plane, and I was waiting them to come in Flightgear, but a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Version number for the upcoming release

2009-12-14 Thread Jacob Burbach
What if we start naming releases in addition to the normal version scheme. FlightGear 2.x.x , name could be some continued variation on a theme or something. I think that would be a nice middle ground, we keep a meaningful versioning scheme, and also get a catchy name for everyone. I've worked on p

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nan-a-palooza

2009-12-14 Thread Jacob Burbach
Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. [Switching to Thread 0xb627aa20 (LWP 30813)] 0x0865ece2 in findcell (hr=0xeb43550, key= {num = nan(0x567891077bfa8), ref = {ptr = {obj = 0x1077bfa8, str = 0x1077bfa8, vec = 0x1077bfa8, hash = 0x1077bfa8, code = 0x1077bfa8, func = 0x1077b

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Version number for the upcoming release

2009-12-14 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Hi there, The chances of people in this mailing list misunderstanding that convention are low, because by and large we're advocates of free software which is predominantly released under such numbering schemes, but I feel confident I could take that convention around the engineering office I wo

[Flightgear-devel] AI ==> airport, facility, and environment services

2009-12-14 Thread John Denker
On 12/13/2009 11:29 PM, Durk Talsma wrote: > FWIW, as per previous agreement, I've started investigating how much effort > it > is going to cost to remove the ai-code altogether. There are a few places > where the existing code depends on ATCDCL functions. Isolating these > shouldn't > be too

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Gear on Windows

2009-12-14 Thread Vivian Meazza
Erik wrote > Alan Teeder wrote: > > I am no longer seeing the first two bugs which seem to have been sorted > > out this week, but do have a similar problem with sound. See my thread > > with Eric. > > Is this something I need to look after or is it a matter of finding the > proper compile option

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (was Re: FlightGear URLverification patch)

2009-12-14 Thread Vivian Meazza
Stuart Buchanan wrote > Durk wrote: > > On Sunday 13 December 2009 10:16:24 pm Stuart Buchanan wrote: > > > A clear statement would > > > a) provide a good reference point for any further discussion outside > of the > > > community, rather than various people making different comments. > > > > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (was Re: FlightGear URL verification patch)

2009-12-14 Thread James Turner
On 14 Dec 2009, at 11:11, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > I'd appreciate feedback, even if it is only to agree with the wording of the > statement, to ensure that we have buy-in for this. > > > FlightGear is a open-source flight simulator that was started in 2006. It is > released under > the GNU Ge

[Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (was Re: FlightGear URL verification patch)

2009-12-14 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Durk wrote: > On Sunday 13 December 2009 10:16:24 pm Stuart Buchanan wrote: > > A clear statement would > > a) provide a good reference point for any further discussion outside of the > > community, rather than various people making different comments. > > > > b) be visible enough to Google so

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Version number for the upcoming release

2009-12-14 Thread Jacob Burbach
I don't think anything wrong with the MAJOR.MINOR.PATCHLEVEL format, I think it's fairly obvious, and is widely used. I'm not a huge fan of rolling over into double digits though, unless you started with double digits to begin with. For example 1.09 to 1.10 is logical to me, but 1.9.1 to 1.10 is no

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Gear on Windows

2009-12-14 Thread Erik Hofman
Alan Teeder wrote: > I am no longer seeing the first two bugs which seem to have been sorted > out this week, but do have a similar problem with sound. See my thread > with Eric. Is this something I need to look after or is it a matter of finding the proper compile options? Erik -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Version number for the upcoming release

2009-12-14 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Monday 14 December 2009 05:46:11 Chris Wilkinson wrote: > There could have been any number of better ways to express the version > number, but they chose to use one that can combine more than one decimal > place into what looks to a lay person like a mistyped number... not > clever. Well th