Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-19 Thread Gene Buckle
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Tim Moore wrote: You don't have to provide sources with the binaries to comply with the GPL, you just have to make them available if the a recipient of the binary asks for them. In this case company A better have a plan in place for when an eventual paying customer asks

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT), Gene wrote in message alpine.lfd.1.10.0903170627320.4...@grumble.deltasoft.com: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Tim Moore wrote: You don't have to provide sources with the binaries to comply with the GPL, you just have to make them available if the a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:17:05 +1300, James wrote in message 49c04b91.1090...@gogo.co.nz: Curtis Olson wrote: Here's a question: Does a 3rd party have the right to ask for the modified source code, even if none of the entities receiving the modified program don't care to ask for the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Frederic Bouvier
- Ron Jensen a écrit : On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:30 -0500, Curtis Olson wrote: Here's a hypothetical question. Let's say some company A builds an internal product prototype that incorporates FlightGear as part of a larger aggregate system. Murky waters here. And a slippery

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Ron Jensen wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:30 -0500, Curtis Olson wrote: Here's a hypothetical question. Let's say some company A builds an internal product prototype that incorporates FlightGear as part of a larger aggregate system. Murky waters here. And a slippery slope to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Brisa Francesco
James Sleeman ha scritto: Curtis Olson wrote: Has the GPL been violated? Probably, [...] I absolutely agree with James: money, or demo releases are not kept in consideration when considering GPL Violation such Curtis scenario: If you legally obtain the binary you have the right

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Tim Moore
Curtis Olson wrote: Here's a hypothetical question. Let's say some company A builds an internal product prototype that incorporates FlightGear as part of a larger aggregate system. Let's say they even make a few small changes to FlightGear. Now they give away a demo system to a couple

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Olson [mailto:curtol...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:31 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question Here's a hypothetical question. Let's say some company A builds an internal product prototype that incorporates FlightGear as part

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:30:55 -0500, Curtis wrote in message ef5fc9920903161830o1416048dva02c4d7090ec8...@mail.gmail.com: Here's a hypothetical question. Let's say some company A builds an internal product prototype that incorporates FlightGear as part of a larger aggregate system. Let's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:08:02 +1100, George wrote in message 5b12e0960903161908h699b16a5n40dca9d26ef94...@mail.gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a hypothetical question. Let's say some company A builds an internal product prototype

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:09:55 +0100 (CET), Frederic wrote in message 26870652.2296231237277395051.javamail.r...@spooler4-g27.priv.proxad.net: - Ron Jensen a écrit : If I can wear my Devil's advocate hat : What if the receiver of the modified software doesn't require the sources ?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Curtis Olson
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: There are some things we need to know that aren’t described below. Was the FlightGear source modified? If not, then they would be distributing an existing FlightGear that anyone can download. All they need do is mention where FlightGear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:23:09 -0500, Jon wrote in message 00a201c9a6ea$60534dc0$20f9e9...@net: There are some things we need to know that aren't described below. Was the FlightGear source modified? If not, then they would be distributing an existing FlightGear that anyone can download. All

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 13:34:19 Curtis Olson wrote: Here's a question: Does a 3rd party have the right to ask for the modified source code, even if none of the entities receiving the modified program don't care to ask for the source code? In short: no. The GPL doesn't require any rights for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:34:19 -0500, Curtis wrote in message ef5fc9920903170534s75b2f92bo4352f46a742e0...@mail.gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: There are some things we need to know that aren’t described below. Was the FlightGear source modified? If not,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Ron Jensen
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 13:43 +0100, Stefan Seifert wrote: On Tuesday 17 March 2009 13:34:19 Curtis Olson wrote: Here's a question: Does a 3rd party have the right to ask for the modified source code, even if none of the entities receiving the modified program don't care to ask for the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Jon S. Berndt
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 13:34:19 Curtis Olson wrote: Here's a question: Does a 3rd party have the right to ask for the modified source code, even if none of the entities receiving the modified program don't care to ask for the source code? In short: no. The GPL doesn't require any

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 14:11:38 Ron Jensen wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 13:43 +0100, Stefan Seifert wrote: On Tuesday 17 March 2009 13:34:19 Curtis Olson wrote: Here's a question: Does a 3rd party have the right to ask for the modified source code, even if none of the entities

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon S. Berndt -- Tuesday 17 March 2009: Everyone must have access to the source code. Only those who got the binary, directly or indirectly. From the FAQ http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#RedistributedBinariesGetSource: | My friend got a GPL-covered binary with an offer to supply

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-17 Thread James Sleeman
Curtis Olson wrote: Here's a question: Does a 3rd party have the right to ask for the modified source code, even if none of the entities receiving the modified program don't care to ask for the source code? Anybody who gets the binary is under the GPL entitled to the source - gets the

[Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-16 Thread Curtis Olson
Here's a hypothetical question. Let's say some company A builds an internal product prototype that incorporates FlightGear as part of a larger aggregate system. Let's say they even make a few small changes to FlightGear. Now they give away a demo system to a couple different potential customers

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-16 Thread George Patterson
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a hypothetical question. Let's say some company A builds an internal product prototype that incorporates FlightGear as part of a larger aggregate system.  Let's say they even make a few small changes to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-16 Thread James Sleeman
Curtis Olson wrote: Now they give away a demo system to a couple different potential customers and say, Hey what do you think. They haven't rolled out an actual product, they haven't had any actual sales. No customer has paid any money for the copy of the system. Has the GPL been

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hypothetical gpl question

2009-03-16 Thread Ron Jensen
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:30 -0500, Curtis Olson wrote: Here's a hypothetical question. Let's say some company A builds an internal product prototype that incorporates FlightGear as part of a larger aggregate system. Murky waters here. And a slippery slope to be on. Let's say they even