Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-22 Thread Peter B. West
Christian, Just did it. New http://xml.apache.org/fop/news.html updated http://xml.apache.org/fop/status.html updated http://xml.apache.org/fop/design/alt.design/index.html Peter Christian Geisert wrote: Peter B. West schrieb: plans to use the News page on the web-site to maintain a

Re: Fwd: Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-20 Thread Christian Geisert
Ralph LaChance schrieb: [..] Plus this: I work from the premise that most users of fop will prefer ~not~ to explicitly configure their own fonts (unless the locale require it) but will take the built-ins -- which to my mind, means those supplied by Java. Would that be an um ~naive~

Re: image support (was: RE: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasksto select implementations))

2002-06-20 Thread Christian Geisert
Keiron Liddle schrieb: On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 11:05, Rob Smith wrote: Everyone who needs PNG support? Batik has a png decoder, a png encoder, a tiff encoder and a tiff decoder. So what about using those ? (we ship batik anyway..) While we are stuck with a obselete library that we can't

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-20 Thread Christian Geisert
Peter B. West schrieb: [..] I noticed again, following Satoshi's email, that we have no tags for RCs. I think this is an oversight which should be addressed. Are there I didn't think about a tag for a RC yet.. But the whole release process should be documented somewhere like the batik

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-13 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Hi Ralph Apropos of the many threads discussing 1.3 vs 1.2 code dependencies particularly as it relates to the awt renderer TT fonts, and I might add printing, I repeat my question (below) about ~how not to~ use TT fonts. I'm afraid that I can't be of any help here at the moment. Reasons are

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-13 Thread Christian Geisert
Peter B. West schrieb: Can anyone answer the questions below? Hopefully, before the release. Ok (building the RC atm ;-) I think we need to discuss these issues in more depth. We have people using FOP in production, and, in spite of the fact that everyone is aware that FOP is pre-beta,

RE: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks to select implementations)

2002-06-13 Thread Rob Smith
From: Rhett Aultman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] How many of FOP's users built FOP from scratch and thus used ant? It's not entirely necessary, especially if you're not a FOP developer. Everyone who needs PNG support? -- Rob Smith

image support (was: RE: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks toselect implementations))

2002-06-13 Thread Keiron Liddle
On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 11:05, Rob Smith wrote: Everyone who needs PNG support? Batik has a png decoder, a png encoder, a tiff encoder and a tiff decoder. While we are stuck with a obselete library that we can't distribute. If only there was a good image library that we could use and distribute.

AW: image support (was: RE: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks toselect implementations))

2002-06-13 Thread J.U. Anderegg
The good library is here: Java Advanced Imaging. In a few days I will have a sample PDF renderer using it. o BMP, GIF, TIF, JPG, FPX, PNM and SVG are processed. o Immediate file operations: 1 image in memory at a time o caching, reuse by PDF features Hansuli Anderegg

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-13 Thread Peter B. West
Christian (and Satoshi), Thanks for clarifying this. If nothing has changed in this respect from 0.20.3, then nothing is going to break for any users who upgrade from 0.20.3 to 0.20.4 (at least in this respect.) No drama. The discussion has thrown up some interesting points, and I hope to

FOP Specialized Classloader: Request for Help (Was:RE: Fop and JDK1.2)

2002-06-13 Thread Rhett Aultman
Comments below. -Original Message- From: Peter B. West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fop and JDK1.2 The discussion has thrown up some interesting points, and I hope to see Rhett get involved in this soon. I hope

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-12 Thread Peter B. West
Can anyone answer the questions below? Hopefully, before the release. I think we need to discuss these issues in more depth. We have people using FOP in production, and, in spite of the fact that everyone is aware that FOP is pre-beta, and that everything about it is subject to change, we

Fwd: Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-12 Thread Ralph LaChance
Apropos of the many threads discussing 1.3 vs 1.2 code dependencies particularly as it relates to the awt renderer TT fonts, and I might add printing, I repeat my question (below) about ~how not to~ use TT fonts. Plus this: I work from the premise that most users of fop will prefer ~not~ to

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-11 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Peter, that's a good idea, but as you said, it's more work for us and it increases complexity. So I think we're basically in for the following approach: 1. Compile with JDK 1.3 and provide restricted use with Java 1.2 for the 0.20.4 release. (Notice in the release notes necessary) 2. Try to

Re: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks to select implementations)

2002-06-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 08:22, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . 2. Try to build up the support for version dependant code for the next release. . . . Note that this is fairly easy to do using filtering in ant copy tasks and package names containing identifiers. For example: package A contains

RE: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-11 Thread Rhett Aultman
Message- From: Peter B. West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 8:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fop and JDK1.2 Christian et al, My comparative ignorance of Java hampers me here, but might it not be possible to provide some sort of upgrade insurance

RE: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks to select implementations)

2002-06-11 Thread Rhett Aultman
demographics (version, vendor, etc) would be in order, which could then allow a classloader to select the correct classes to instantiate. -Original Message- From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fop

Re: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks to select implementations)

2002-06-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 14:43, Rhett Aultman wrote: . . . Rather than relying on Ant, I'd say a runtime detection of VM demographics (version, vendor, etc) would be in order, which could then allow a classloader to select the correct classes to instantiate. . . . I like your idea a lot -

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-11 Thread Peter B. West
I'm confused about exactly what the nature of the problem is here. From what I can gather so far, not insisting on 1.3 means that we must withdraw support for TT fonts in AWT. Does that imply that TT fonts were not supported in AWT in 0.20.3? If so, not supporting them in 0.20.4 is not a

RE: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks to select implementations)

2002-06-11 Thread Rhett Aultman
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks to select implementations) On Tuesday 11 June 2002 14:43, Rhett Aultman wrote: . . . Rather than relying on Ant, I'd say a runtime detection of VM demographics (version

RE: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-11 Thread Rhett Aultman
like this, then we might have what we need. -Original Message- From: Peter B. West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 9:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fop and JDK1.2 Rhett, I was originally thinking along the lines you have suggested. In fact, I have been

Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-10 Thread Christian Geisert
Hi, Building Fop with JDK1.2 does not work at the moment. The problem is the method java.awt.Font.createFont(..) which is used by the AWT viewer for displaying truetype fonts and is avaible first since JDK1.3. So what should we do? 1) Declare that Fop needs JDK1.3 2) Remove truetype font

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-10 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Building Fop with JDK1.2 does not work at the moment. The problem is the method java.awt.Font.createFont(..) which is used by the AWT viewer for displaying truetype fonts and is avaible first since JDK1.3. So what should we do? 1) Declare that Fop needs JDK1.3 I'm +1 for this but I

RE: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-10 Thread art_w
: Fop and JDK1.2 Building Fop with JDK1.2 does not work at the moment. The problem is the method java.awt.Font.createFont(..) which is used by the AWT viewer for displaying truetype fonts and is avaible first since JDK1.3. So what should we do? 1) Declare that Fop needs JDK1.3 I'm +1

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 10 June 2002 17:06, Christian Geisert wrote: . . . 1) Declare that Fop needs JDK1.3 Could cause confusion with Cocoon users - Cocoon requires JDK1.2. 2) Remove truetype font support from AWT viewer +0 3) Compile Fop with JDK1.3 (which will be done anyway) and state in the

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-10 Thread Arnd Beißner
My 2 cents on this from a user's perspective: 1) Declare that Fop needs JDK1.3 Though 1.2 to 1.3 migration is not a big step for most people, it still is a step. Migrating complex server setups including app servers just because a single component needs a newer JRE is undesired by every

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-10 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
Jeremias Maerki wrote: I'm +1 for this but I can bet that's not very popular. We had a little uproar when JDK 1.1 support was killed. I wonder how many people are still working with JDK 1.2. It's a relatively big step from 1.1 up, but not from 1.2 to 1.3. Unfortunately migrating to 1.3 is

RE: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-10 Thread Rhett Aultman
. -Original Message- From: Oleg Tkachenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 3:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fop and JDK1.2 Jeremias Maerki wrote: I'm +1 for this but I can bet that's not very popular. We had a little uproar when JDK 1.1 support was killed. I wonder

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-10 Thread Ralph LaChance
At 12:07 PM 6/10/02, you wrote: 3) Compile Fop with JDK1.3 (which will be done anyway) and state in the release notes that compiling with JDK1.2 and using truetype fonts in the AWT viewer does not work. Probably the best for the moment. I don't know if some conditional compiling is doable.

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-10 Thread Peter B. West
, Building Fop with JDK1.2 does not work at the moment. The problem is the method java.awt.Font.createFont(..) which is used by the AWT viewer for displaying truetype fonts and is avaible first since JDK1.3. So what should we do? 1) Declare that Fop needs JDK1.3 2) Remove truetype