On sJan 13/sJan 18, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Mark Bergsma wrote:
Today I will be migrating the mailing lists from a very old server (lily) in
Amsterdam, to a new server (sodium) in our new Ashburn data center. Mailman
will be upgraded to version 2.1.13 along the way.
During the migration, mail
of any new issues, in bugzilla or on IRC (#wikimedia-tech).
We don't expect any problems, but as with any software upgrade or migration,
this can't be guaranteed...
Thanks,
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On Jan 13, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Mark Bergsma wrote:
Hi,
Today I will be migrating the mailing lists from a very old server (lily) in
Amsterdam, to a new server (sodium) in our new Ashburn data center. Mailman
will be upgraded to version 2.1.13 along the way.
...and right after I sent
charity work. The various chapters' nationalistic attempts to own
various language encyclopedias, along with a bitter rush towards the
money-trough, is also a bit unseemly, and doesn't seem to have much to
do with community to me, unless you take a very bureaucratic view of
community.
-Mark
here is that their articles may get tagged as
orphans).
One possibility could be to rotate subject-specific how to get started
appeals. Something like: Interested in architecture? [Pithy appeal that
links to brief, newbie-friendly info on how to contribute on the subject
of architecture]
-Mark
in the past 3 years, without,
as far as I can tell, it ever being an explicit decision to expand
scope... just sort of happened. Not entirely comfortable with it, but
eh, I guess that's how things go, and it *does* at least still keep the
lights on at *.wikipedia.org, which is what I care about.
-Mark
on
Special:FundraiserStatistics broken
* https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32536 CentralNotice API
Bring your javascript and PHP chops and I'll see you there!
Mark.
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that move. Imo that would be the
best action. I don't think it would be helpful to intervene in a
heavy-handed manner (certainly no mass-desysopping of an entire
language's editor base).
-Mark
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in an educational manner without jeopardizing their
tax-exempt status. For example, perhaps, in suitable cases, Wikimedia
could issue factual statements about proposed legislation likely to
affect its operations, with a neutral legal analysis of if and how the
legislation would do so.
-Mark
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We'll be holding a public IRC bug triage in about 2-3 minutes on
#wikimedia-dev for all who are interested. We will be using
http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-2011-06 to keep notes as well.
See you there!
Mark.
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actually good at. (All
imo, of course.)
-Mark
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are on Mark Hershberger's, the Bugmesiter, to-do list. He's the one
who bothers the sysadmins to get things done. :-)
I've CC'd him so he can hopefully chime in.
Thanks, Casey. Finally subscribed.
I'm trying to find ways to track issues that are important to the
community *now* and raise them
Peter, resorting to ad hominem does nothing to prove your point. It
only makes people less likely to listen to what you have to say.
-m.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Peter Damian
peter.dam...@btinternet.com wrote:
- Original Message -
I can read a book on the History of the Fourth
We have heard this type of criticism before, that lower-prestige
varieties or languages that are not official or national languages
are somehow intrinsically incapable or unsuited to encyclopedic
writing. Article quality on a Wiki is not high or low due to some
intrinsic characteristic or trait of
of the speaker.
-m.
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19.09.2010 13:01, Marcus Buck wrote:
An'n 19.09.2010 11:32, hett Mark Williamson schreven:
We have heard this type of criticism before, that lower-prestige
varieties or languages
Standard Australian English is very easy to understand for me as a
North American speaker of English, especially when written because
that eliminates the potential problem of different accents. Standard
Jamaican English is easy to understand, perhaps you are thinking of
Jamaican Creole, which is
Thank you to everybody who had a part in bringing about this increased
transparency. It is a breath of fresh air for me and hopefully for
everybody else who follows language-related developments on Wikimedia.
-m.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
As Karen
Two of the biggest remaining problems (of which there are, naturally,
many many many others):
1) Transparency. Maybe some experts fear retaliation - okay, use
pseudonyms or contribute anonymously. Just have someone summarize your
opinion for public archives. Does Gerard fear retaliation? From
I hope nobody gets the impression that I'm just an American sniping at
Europeans. I wouldn't be much happier if it was half Americans and
half Europeans, or even all Americans. The majority of the world's
non-endangered languages are spoken in Asia and Africa, so on a
committee that deals with
I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language
Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community
oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of
experts, mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down
judgements about the rest of the world's
Take a look at some of the new football-related articles on the Ewe
Wikipedia. I don't think this is cause for celebration at all:
http://ee.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Beckham
http://ee.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naohiro_Takahara
http://ee.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruud_van_Nistelrooy
I don't see a single word
Interesting to note the geographic distribution of members of the
committee... hmm...
-m.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
Our new member is Huib Laurens (meta:User:Huib). His main role is to
help us in keeping up to date archives of our mailing list [1]
You won't find many professional translators using GTTK for their work.
[citation needed]
-m.
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
2) Implement spelling and punctuation check automatically within GTTK
before
posting of the articles.
There is spell check in Translator Toolkit, although it's not available
for
all languages. We don't have any
2) Implement spelling and punctuation check automatically within GTTK before
posting of the articles.
There is spell check in Translator Toolkit, although it's not available for
all languages. We don't have any punctuation checks today and I doubt that
we can release this anytime soon. (If
wants 1:1 translations for its Translation
memory. And, of course, its the big numbers Google is interested in to
achieve better automatic translations in the end.
Ziko
2010/7/29 Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
I
Ziko, again, we are not talking about machine translations; Google
doesn't have machine translation for Bangla, Malayalam, Tamil etc.
yet. This is about translation memory.
One of the things about MAT, whose use in the professional translator
community is still debated but most popular for
at 5:15 AM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Aphaia, Shiju Alex and I are referring to Google Translator Toolkit,
not Google Translate. If the person using the Toolkit uses it as it
was _meant_ to be used
...
2010/7/27 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com
Aphaia, Shiju Alex and I are referring to Google Translator Toolkit,
not Google Translate. If the person using the Toolkit uses it as it
was _meant_ to be used, the results should be as good as a human
translation because they've been reviewed
van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote:
Mark Williamson:
GTTK can be used as a force of good if someone puts in the appropriate
time and effort; when used _properly_ by a careful, knowledgeable
It is my thought that the huge problem here is lack of engagement with
communities. Essentially
I'm not sure that's exactly the question. Rather, by using GTTK,
people are contributing to building [[Translation memory]] for Google,
which they can in turn use to build their statistical models. It's not
that we're using non-free software, but rather that we're contributing
to it.
-m.
On Wed,
, most of which are, you guessed it.. Western in
nature.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:43 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to add to this that I think the worst part of this idea
is the assumption that other languages should take
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote:
1. Ban the project of Google as done by the Bengali wiki community (Bad
solution, and I am personally against this solution)
2. Ask Google to engage wiki community (As happened in the case of Tamil)
to find
for the for-profit
giant.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com
wrote:
1. Ban the project of Google as done by the Bengali wiki community (Bad
solution, and I am personally against
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Wikipedias are not for _cultures_, they are for languages. If I and
I'm surprised to hear that coming from someone who I thought to be a
student
I would like to add to this that I think the worst part of this idea
is the assumption that other languages should take articles from
en.wp.
I would be in favor of an international, language-free Wikipedia
if/when perfect (or 99.99% accurate) MT software exists, but that is
not currently the
Two things:
1) Please define junk articles. Do you mean articles that you think
nobody in your community wants to read (like, say, an article about an
American singer or actor, for example [[Lady Gaga]]), or do you mean
articles that are written in such a way as to be incomprehensible, or
are
Aphaia, a great deal of confusion has been created with regards to
this project. I hope you'll allow me to attempt to clear it up.
These are NOT articles that were translated directly by Google
Translate. Rather, they were created using Google Translator Toolkit,
which requires human intervention
Wikipedia some amount of translations (1/3 IIRC) are
not related to English.
If you think it works for you, it's fine, but please be aware it might
not work for non-English speakers as well as for you.
Cheers,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Aphaia
Can we clarify here, are we talking about Google Translate or Google
Translator Toolkit?
-m.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Przykuta przyk...@o2.pl wrote:
I've seen several requests, both on meta and on language projects, to
delete this kind of bad quality translation which people think
Well - this seems a bit confusing. I think Shiju Alex was talking
about the toolkit, but I got the impression you're referring to Google
Translate, which I agree is always unsuitable to produce usable
articles.
-m.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Przykuta przyk...@o2.pl wrote:
about google
Wikipedias are not for _cultures_, they are for languages. If I and
1,000 other Americans suddenly learnt French (to the point of
native-level fluency) and decided to read and edit the French
Wikipedia, it would belong to us just as much as to anybody else.
This came up recently in the debate
Bence, that's a different topic - MAT (Machine Aided Translation), and
in the case of Bengali, I believe simply the use of a translation
memory system. Some of the comments on that page seem to be quite
misinformed, ranging from people who thought Google was inserting
unrevised machine
+1. While I think there are many good arguments against inclusion of
images of Muhammad in Wikipedia, the false or unreliable does not
seem to be such an argument. We have plenty of images of Jesus and
lots of other famous people of whom we have no photographic or
_primary_ artistic sources...
I was raised areligious and I see a clear difference there. On the one
hand, you're talking about portraying a religious figure on a sex toy;
on the other hand you're just talking about portraying a religious
figure. Just on the grounds of being offensive, I don't think either
should be excluded
Have you seen [[Piss Christ]]? How is that different?
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 4:40 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
John Vandenberg wrote:
in the article about Jesus.
If you haven't noticed, the images of Muhammad on the core articles
relating to Islam are not created by someone who
, Jul 17, 2010 at 11:01 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
Excirial wrote:
*There is no general Christian prohibition on depicting Christ. In fact it
is a generally accepted practice. Generally Muslims don't, and consider it a
mark of disrespect to do so. Why offend?*
1
Don't censor except when you do? That's one of the problems with
this thread, it seems everything's been made personal. I don't censor
anything. I was not involved in the debate about deleting the goatse
image, nor have I been much involved in the Muhammad debate, but I am
a firm believer in
may break those rules, but all that means is
they should be fixed so the rules are applied more consistently.
-m
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 5:14 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Wiki-list, the huge glaring difference is that the goatse.cx image
is a pornographic
Andre, I personally don't have a problem with the mere existence of
the template. I have a huge problem with it appearing at the top of
the mainpage of a Wikipedia.
-m
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On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:14 PM,
I agree... or your think to ideas.
skype: node.ue
2010/7/5 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com:
基建吉 wrote:
ΣXD＜Nice idea for disscuss saved.And user block framing Jadge.
'''[NEW!!]The rule of seven elevens.'''(or eleven seven)
Discuttion to seven article writed one disscuss.
One day to max 11
Amir,
I think this is a good idea. For the sake of consistency, we should
choose a single standard to follow rather than a hodge-podge of newer
standards, older (although still valid) standards, and ad hoc codes we
made up on the spot (als, nrm) and custom codes (bat-smg, roa-tara,
roa-rup,
Gerard,
I'm not sure such a condescending tone helps anybody. Also, I'm not
sure you've understood the intent of Martin's post. I'm under the
impression he'd only like to put off implementation of Vector in his
community until some problems get worked out, not permanently.
Besides, I think the
Phoebe, in my humble opinion, this project is a bit different. I think
when we are talking about child development and creating a project for
children, there's no room to screw around or create some amateurish
product. This is something that, if done wrong, could potentially have
a bigger negative
:
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Phoebe, in my humble opinion, this project is a bit different. I think
when we are talking about child development and creating a project for
children, there's no room to screw around or create some amateurish
product
Miloš,
I am inclined to agree with you. As someone who is not so far removed
from his own adolescence, I can attest that I've always found
Children's writing to be incredibly condescending and even
demeaning. Perhaps I was not a typical child, but ever since about 7
years of age I really hated
were reading the article on [[Earth]] that Ting's quoted and did
not understand what terrestrial planet meant... well, there's a link
right there to help me out. Again, young != stupid.
-m.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Miloš,
I am inclined to agree
-l] Reconsidering the policy one language - one
Wikipedia
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 6:06 PM
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:26 AM,
Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com
wrote:
as if we were dumb. I have heard (and I am
In addition, I have a feeling that article overstates the English
abilities of the average non-native internet user. Yes, lots of people
have a very (very!) basic command of English, but that is not the same
as functional bilingualism. A user may happen to know the name for a
horse, but what are
If we consider
that current English native speakers mostly already have internet and those
without internet are likelier than not to be non-English speakers I would
be
careful to advocate the unilateral use of English.
As would I, though I don't think you mean what you said.
Why not? To
I'm very disappointed that this discussion has continued at the
expense of one that I find to be much more important to our projects.
Can all of us go back over there and stop talking about this? Kthx.
m.
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote:
kthx
On
about all the american
pop stars (For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga). Now the
issue is, we don't have such list to give to Google/Google employees.
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
+1. This would be a SUPER useful tool for all Wikis
+1. This would be a SUPER useful tool for all Wikis.
-m.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote:
Recently I had a discussion with one of my fellow Malayalam wikipedian (
http://ml.wikipedia.org) about the creation of new articles in small
wikipedias like
+1. I must admit I have been a bit surprised/shocked/irritated by the
tone of the comments from some of those involved with the usability
initiative. I always thought that Wikimedia valued community
decision-making, but now I'm being told that my feedback is greatly
appreciated and will be taken
on the page that to you probably
appear little more than gibberish? (assuming you don't read Georgian -
if I'm wrong, substitute it for any language that you don't know)
Mark
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Aryeh Gregor
simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Aryeh Gregor
That's not good enough. First of all, people who don't speak a
language won't recognize the text see other languages, or even
languages. Could you pick the word ენები out of a page full of
text in a foreign language and understand that clicking it would lead
you to a link to the English version of
title they have, is
simply a user of the site.
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is potentially extremely harmful to
many non-English Wikipedias.
Mark
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I have a few questions about the deployment of Vector in Wikipedias in
other languages.
1. When does the Foundation plan to perform the switch?
2
on reducing the amount of non-educational sexual
material on Commons. If similar incidents elsewhere are anything to
go by, it'll be two to three years before serious discussion of the
subject will be possible.
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I think there are two options: Meta and pt.wp itself. My personal opinion is
that it does not need to be bilingual, but that is of course up to you.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.ptwrote:
Thanks Chad. I know that, but what kind of page (what title)? Where?
skype: node.ue
-- Forwarded message --
From: Manuel Coutinho i...@maccoutinho.com
Date: Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:28 AM
Subject: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia
To: node...@gmail.com
Dear Node,
It has come to my attention quite some time ago that the Portuguese version
of wikipedia is
compared
to any other in Kenya, but it is quite a bit more surprising that Korean,
Romanian, Bulgarian, Lithuanian, Iranian, etc. users prefer the English
Wikipedia.
Mark
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.comwrote:
Dear Erik,
Maybe there is a dirty Polish word
1.4%
Costa Rica 1.4%
Italy 1.4%
Uruguay 1.2%
Colombia1.2%
Portugal1.1%
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Two main factors influencing choice of Wikipedia language:
# Fluency of the Internet-using population of a country
Ethnologue has numbers for all languages although their information is often
outdated or not 100% accurate, it is sufficient if you're doing a list with
many languages.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote:
Erik Zachte wrote:
Today I released 4 new
that the Arabic Wikipedia is of poor quality, it just means that users
feel that the English Wikipedia is a more reliable or complete resource in
some way.
Mark
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Erik Zachte erikzac
on Craigslist. I think
the point Geni was trying to make is that it has indeed raised some interest
in Craigslist, rather than just helping WMF.
Mark
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.comwrote:
Interesting! If I read that right, the Craigslist page on Wikipedia got
an extra
, and Craig founded a non-profit
organization, the Craigslist Foundation, to support other non-profits.
seems like it is intended to distract the reader from the truth, which is
that Craigslist is for profit and owned partly by corporations like eBay.
Mark
skype: node.ue
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:21
Is it really anti-capitalist to be against giving Craigslist free publicity?
Mark
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively
absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like
them to have
not be there. I
can certainly understand the reasons for keeping it up and I also don't
think this is a terrible situation or anything so I won't argue about this
but I wanted to make it known that Geni isn't the only one of the opinion
that it's not a good thing.
Mark
skype: node.ue
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9
Half a day? Is that really so bad? I would be worried if there were no posts
for a week. Obviously there isn't as much traffic as before but I would
personally wait longer before sending out e-mails asking why there are no
messages.
Mark
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:18 PM, MZMcBride pub
There is already a statistics page,
http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/Index.html
skype: node.ue
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:13 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/7/2009 11:28:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com writes:
Please read it as an appeal
.
To be on the Power Poster list is a bad thing for some, but it is not a
shameful thing by itself certainly. If you have a lot of useful things to
say, that's not so bad.
Mark
skype: node.ue
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi,
If you want
How do others feel? This is not the first time we've had this discussion.
Some people agree with you, many don't. Also, I don't think anyone is
surprised that you agree.
Mark
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:05 PM, wjhon...@aol.com
Might also be interesting to see views/hour/million speakers.
skype: node.ue
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
From Erik Zachte:
http://infodisiac.com/blog/2009/09/partipication-level-a-new-metric/
Hmm. Anyone want to change the front page of
But please, not on this list. This list is fine as it is.
Says who?
Mark
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Maxwell. That 20 post difference between you and GerardM is what
is making people notice you and I think also one of the reasons people
want change on this list.
Mark
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Mark Williamson node
People are complaining to whoever is in charge of the venue.
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote:
A mailing list, however, is different. A mailing list is a
conversation.
How am I heckling you? I'm just stating the facts. There's no need for
this to turn into a fight.
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
People are complaining to whoever is in charge
may very well use different rules.
I believe what was meant by this is that we should codify policies the
same way that all large Wikipedias have codified policies, NOT that we
should adopt the same policies as en.wp or any other for that matter.
Mark
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote:
Or you mean 'codification' as 'put all rules systematically/structured
and in written'?
If so it's exactly the basic proposal of Anders Wennersten:
That's usually what codification means :-)
Mark
around me about as much as it revolves around
you (=not at all).
Mark
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No, they most certainly would not. However it's a bit of a moot point
as if I recall correctly there were only 1 or 2 admins and they've
both left since.
Mark
On 9/1/09, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 08:29, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
It certainly
or is difficult to find.
Mark
On 8/31/09, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 04:10, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it is fair to say that no language belongs to a country, it
belongs to all speakers... what about the hundreds of thousands of
people who write
of the name
because this is controversial. Same with the national anthem - not
once does it mention Moldova, Moldovan, Romania, or Romanian, although
it does talk a lot about the beauty of the language. Also it does not
mention alphabets.
Mark
On 8/31/09, Cetateanu Moldovanu cetatean...@gmail.com wrote
though I imagine that would mostly
resolve this issue once and for all.
Mark
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to agree on either.
Mark
On 9/1/09, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 08:59, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
When you say that _is_ the _moldovan_ language... how does Cyrillic
writing make it not Moldovan anymore?
On the contarary: latin script make
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