Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-10 Thread Magdalen Berns
Define Many ? I personally support FSF's ethics in principle, please don't speak for all of us. I think it's somewhat split, but sort of having everyone in the foundation state their stance on it, I don't know how 'many' could be defined. There are people who are in a position to state

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-10 Thread Lefty
On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:35 AM, Magdalen Berns m.be...@thismagpie.com wrote: Perhaps some might be seeing Richard as the FSF too quickly and not giving due regard what he is actually saying about this in the reactions to what he's putting forward. How he's defined dodgy links really does not

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-10 Thread Lefty
On Jan 9, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Mathieu Duponchelle mduponchel...@gmail.com wrote: Define Many ? I personally support FSF's ethics in principle, please don't speak for all of us. However you define “many”, it doesn’t mean “all”, Mathieu, so don’t speak for — or over — those of us who aren’t in

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-10 Thread Magdalen Berns
Generally I think that the people who are not on board understand what is being discussed and simply disagree with certain aspects of it. I know that is the case with me. I contribute to FOSS, etc, but I do not always share the same ethics as the FSF. My impression is that that is common. We

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-10 Thread Magdalen Berns
It’s frankly pretty difficult for me at least to distinguish between Richard-speaking-as-Richard-alone and Richard-speaking-as-the-FSF, and he never makes the distinction himself. Does he hold some viewpoint that the FSF does not, or vice versa? That would actually be news to me.

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-10 Thread Magdalen Berns
Define Many ? I personally support FSF's ethics in principle, please don't speak for all of us. I think it's somewhat split, but sort of having everyone in the foundation state their stance on it, I don't know how 'many' could be defined. The elected members of the Board of Directors

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-10 Thread meg ford
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Magdalen Berns m.be...@thismagpie.com wrote: Perhaps some might be seeing Richard as the FSF too quickly and not giving due regard what he is actually saying about this in the reactions to what he's putting forward. How he's defined dodgy links really does not

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-09 Thread Mathieu Duponchelle
Define Many ? I personally support FSF's ethics in principle, please don't speak for all of us. On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 2:58 AM, Nimit Shah nimit.sv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Magdalen, I agree with Meg. Many of us don't share the same ethics as FSF and that is the reason why we don't have much

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-09 Thread Nimit Shah
Hi Magdalen, I agree with Meg. Many of us don't share the same ethics as FSF and that is the reason why we don't have much to contribute to over here. Nimit Shah On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:44 AM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Magdalen, On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Magdalen Berns

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-09 Thread meg ford
Hi Magdalen, On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Magdalen Berns m.be...@thismagpie.com wrote: This makes perfect sense to me. At the moment I am not totally convinced that the rest of the community are on board with what you have said though. It is not clear whether or not people understand the

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-09 Thread Magdalen Berns
Hi, At this stage, I regretfully have urge anyone who would preference lashing out on twitter with their frustrations about the existence of this thread, to consider engaging in a reasoned way on this dedicated thread about their concerns. Whist throwing bigotry at me may seem like the easiest

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-08 Thread Magdalen Berns
Hi Richard, I believe it is possible to view many Facebook pages without running JS. (I am about to verify that.) According to the libreJS plugin you pointed us to earlier on in the discussion, all javascript that facebook tries to run, is offending. When LibreJS blocks the scripts it

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-07 Thread Magdalen Berns
I think you have defined it well. I would expect that these potential problem cases occur rarely. Can you recall any others besides this one? Some others have mentioned social networking site links e.g. facebook et al. Though I am not sure this would apply to all of the ones listed because

Re: Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Some others have mentioned social networking site links e.g. facebook et al.

Links that recommend running nonfree JS code.

2015-01-07 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Whist I don't disagree with what you are saying. There are only so many hours