Florian Klaempfl schrieb:
> Alexander Klenin schrieb:
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 22:15, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Alexander Klenin schrieb:
partially implemented, so I believe current functionality is not enough yet
to create anything competitive with the STL.
>>
Alexander Klenin schrieb:
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 22:15, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Alexander Klenin schrieb:
>>> partially implemented, so I believe current functionality is not enough yet
>>> to create anything competitive with the STL.
>>>
>> Did you ever try to debug STL ba
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 22:15, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alexander Klenin schrieb:
>> partially implemented, so I believe current functionality is not enough yet
>> to create anything competitive with the STL.
>>
>
> Did you ever try to debug STL based programs even with a in thi
Alexander Klenin schrieb:
> partially implemented, so I believe current functionality is not enough yet
> to create anything competitive with the STL.
>
Did you ever try to debug STL based programs even with a in this regard
good debugger?
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 21:04, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What does STL offer that the FPC RTL/FCL doesn't?
Primarily a well-developed collection of algorithms and data structures
suitable for natural and efficient integration into application programs.
The last part
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Alexander Klenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But Pascal still had the advantage in contests despite RTL weakness.
> I believe this comes primarily from the fact that simpler and cleaner
> syntax of Pascal
> leads to fewer mistakes, and the cost of mistake is very hi
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 17:14, Daniël Mantione
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The rumored reason was that Delphi gives "unfair advantage" to teams
>> (mostly Russian ones) using it.
> The requirement to offer a Pascal programming environment has been removed.
> Individual ACM contests are free to of
Op Tue, 2 Dec 2008, schreef Alexander Klenin:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 07:59, Daniël Mantione
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
One time, during a programming contest, the jury had written their solution
to a problem in Java. A 10MB output file had to be written. Their
implementation took about 15 mi
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 07:59, Daniël Mantione
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One time, during a programming contest, the jury had written their solution
> to a problem in Java. A 10MB output file had to be written. Their
> implementation took about 15 minutes and took about 60 MB of memory.
>
> Duri
Well, I think that the compiler could be shared between a native code
and bytecode machine.
I think the frontend (parsing the language into a tree structure) can
certainly be shared, i'm not sure about the further back stages.
Bytecode environments are certainly very different from native code in
Michael Schnell wrote:
- One should not attempt to implement Java or C# language constructs in
Pascal.
Oxygene / Delphi Prism seems to do this very successfully. But of
course the compatibility to the existing code base is limited.
Well, the first remark is indeed questionable. As you r
Michael Schnell wrote:
You make a mistake : I am talking about JAVA VM bytecode.
Thanks for pointing that out.
I did not ever hear about this, but I did learn about Pascal byte code
ages ago, so I was mistaken :(.
I have send out the emails as promised. Let's hope you can toy around a
little
- One should not attempt to implement Java or C# language constructs in
Pascal.
Oxygene / Delphi Prism seems to do this very successfully. But of course
the compatibility to the existing code base is limited.
-Michael
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You make a mistake : I am talking about JAVA VM bytecode.
Thanks for pointing that out.
I did not ever hear about this, but I did learn about Pascal byte code
ages ago, so I was mistaken :(.
The Java byte code thingy looks really interesting, though, It would be
great if it really could hap
In our previous episode, Dani?l Mantione said:
> We analyzed this, and it was nothing smart on my side, it was a simple
> Pascal text I/O versus Java text I/O issue. Not only is Java's text I/O
> terribly hard to use, it is also terribly inefficient. Our text I/O, on
> the other hand, is very we
In our previous episode, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho said:
> My initial experience was that this is no problem. The Java libraries
> are just an API just like any other. Just call the appropriate
> routines and you can build your implementation for anything in the FPC
> library.
>
> I managed to w
Op Thu, 27 Nov 2008, schreef Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho:
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Marco van de Voort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Besides the pure language problem, there is also the library problem. Java
and .NET are more than just a bytecode specification, there are also vast
standar
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Marco van de Voort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Besides the pure language problem, there is also the library problem. Java
> and .NET are more than just a bytecode specification, there are also vast
> standard libraries, and the VCL-alike standard libraries of FPC (
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Marco van de Voort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Forking a project is a big deal, but IMHO warranted in this case. If even
> Borland can't pull it off.
I am somewhat divided about what would be better, but inclined to
agree that a new project would be better to
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Marco van de Voort wrote:
> In our previous episode, Thaddy said:
> > I remember that the Delphi to java bytecode compiler isn't feature
> > complete. I can't be: it will not be possible to compile any old delphi
> > program into java byte code for several reasons. But it
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In short , I think , generation of Java byte code by the Free Pascal
> compiler is one of the most important improvements .
Open source projects (like Free Pascal) and driver by contributions.
It's not reasonabl
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Michael Schnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would be great to be able to compile Pascal source code into Java byte
> code that can be downloaded and by and a browser. Do you think this is
> possible ?
I only researched about desktop and mobile Java. Not brows
Michael Schnell wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
Yes, this is possible and even proven to be possible. I have a
fieldtest delphi bytecode compiler from borland inprise times.
This is Pascal byte code not Java byte code. Any bowser can run Java
byte code (via the Java Virtual Machine that is installed on a
Thaddy wrote:
Yes, this is possible and even proven to be possible. I have a
fieldtest delphi bytecode compiler from borland inprise times.
This is Pascal byte code not Java byte code. Any bowser can run Java
byte code (via the Java Virtual Machine that is installed on any PC),
but it can't ru
But it IS possible to use the compiler itself with the frameworks that
are native to the bytecode platforms. That in itself isn't rocket science.
That was the ratio behind Borland experiments with a java bytecode
compiler: and it never reached maturity because the library issue was
the mayor hur
I wrote this from the perspective of a compiler, not from the
perspectiev of a framework.
So, I fully agree with your response. It is a more elaborate version -
with corrections - of what I ment.
Marco van de Voort wrote:
In our previous episode, Thaddy said:
I remember that the Delphi to j
In our previous episode, Thaddy said:
> I remember that the Delphi to java bytecode compiler isn't feature
> complete. I can't be: it will not be possible to compile any old delphi
> program into java byte code for several reasons. But it is possible to
> create Java bytecode with a - safe - sub
I remember that the Delphi to java bytecode compiler isn't feature
complete. I can't be: it will not be possible to compile any old delphi
program into java byte code for several reasons. But it is possible to
create Java bytecode with a - safe - subset of pascal syntax. It is also
possible to
> I will email Nick and David if they would be willing to (put it in the
> museum).
thanks
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dmitry boyarintsev wrote:
I can ask this if you like: very good contacts.
Could you ask them, please?
I will email Nick and David if they would be willing to (put it in the
museum).
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> I can ask this if you like: very good contacts.
Could you ask them, please?
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Yes, this is possible and even proven to be possible. I have a fieldtest
delphi bytecode compiler from borland inprise times. Never made it to
market, but it works.
Ask Codegear of they are willing to give you a specimen of this oldy.
I can ask this if you like: very good contacts.
Thaddy
Mich
It would be great to be able to compile Pascal source code into Java
byte code that can be downloaded and by and a browser. Do you think this
is possible ?
If yes, an example that we can have a look at would be great !
Did you use the FPC parser code in your project ?
If yes, it would be gr
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