Re: Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure

2006-06-29 Thread Shlomo Perets
Janice, You wrote: Thanks, Shlomo. I now understand it better now, and I think my department is fine with it opening to the top of the page at this time. However, when I changed the Reference Page from: gotopage $relfilename:$pagenum to gotoObjectId $relfilename:$ObjectType $ObjectId, it

Re: Visio flowchart into Frame

2006-06-29 Thread Art Campbell
Ron, I think it's going to depend a lot on what your final form deliverable is -- FM, .PDF, HTML, something else... I haven't played with it, but I'd guess that .PDF may support it and I'd be surprised if HTML did because you'd have to convert to another format that would likely throw away the

Re: table anchors - best practices?

2006-06-29 Thread Stuart Rogers
Karen Mardahl wrote: I am starting to pick up on this negative number trick. For my table anchor, I had settled on a font at 7pt (I like seeing that tag!), and the para catalog defaulted to line space 8 pt. No space above or below. My tables are set to 0 pt above. The white space between a text

Mif2Go HTML setting

2006-06-29 Thread John Posada
Hi, guys...I'm using Mif2Go (Version 3.3, Update 46) to convert to HTML for the first time...I've been using it to convert to Word for years. I've defined it to split at two headings, but it names them with system names. I'd like to have it name each htm file with something understandable, like

RE: Visio flowchart into Frame

2006-06-29 Thread Combs, Richard
Ron Teplitz wrote: I'm told you can make a link in Visio so when you click on something, another f ile opens, like with a Hypertext marker in Frame. I want to preserve links from the Visio doc to external files when the Visio doc gets imported into Frame. I guess that has to be

Re: Mif2Go HTML setting

2006-06-29 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:58:24 -0700 (PDT), John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, guys...I'm using Mif2Go (Version 3.3, Update 46) to convert to HTML for the first time...I've been using it to convert to Word for years. I've defined it to split at two headings, but it names them with system

Re: Mif2Go HTML setting

2006-06-29 Thread John Posada
OK...I'm getting therethis is good so far. One last question: I'd like to have the downstream topics within a hierarchy automatically appear at the end of a topic. At the bottom of the style Title would be all the H1s until the next occurannce of the style Title. At the bottom of the style H1

Re: OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Swallow
I think you need to screen for editors better. I'm not a grammarian by any stretch of the imagination, but I certainly know you don't use a coordinating conjunction to string together dependent clauses in that manner. If you want icecream, and then you buy some. Makes absolutely no sense. Time

RE: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Anne Robotti
Our new editor wants to add the word and to such statements - if blah, blah, AND then blah, blah. But that doesn't even make sense grammatically! The closest thing I can find is in the Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications, it's the if/when/whether thing. I know that doesn't

Re: OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:22 -0600 29/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our new editor wants to add the word and to such statements - if blah, blah, AND then blah, blah. Both I and the other writer disagree with the editor on this one - it should be just if/then - no and. Boy are you going to have fun with your new

RE: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Jim Light
Tammy, It seems to me that and changes the meaning entirely! When you say If A, then B. It means that if A occurs or exists, B will follow or exist. If you say If A, and then B. The sentence is rendered incomplete. It makes B part of the original IF clause (I wouldn't use a comma when anding

Re: referenced graphics

2006-06-29 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:28:10 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there is a way to make mif2go produce an rtf file that has linked graphics, rather than embedded graphics? This would be from a frame file with referenced graphics. It's possible, but not advisable. The

Re: OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Tammy . VanBoening
Donald, Christine, Jeremy, et. al. LOL! This list makes my day. Believe you me, I would like to be blunt as some of you were in your emails (the responses were hysterical!), but I can summarize the responses (in a politically correct format, mind you!) and go from there. Thanks for all of

Re: OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Martha J Davidson
At 10:22 AM 6/29/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our new editor wants to add the word and to such statements - if blah, blah, AND then blah, blah. Both I and the other writer disagree with the editor on this one - it should be just if/then - no and. Tammy, I think your editor is overreacting

RE: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Beck, Charles
Hi Tammy, Bad news: At least one major style guide and my own experience are on your new editor's side on this one. In fact, the _Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications, Third Edition_ takes it even further: That style guide states that you should avoid the if...then construction

RE: OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Beck, Charles
One additional thought: Despite what I said in my previous post, I agree with Jeremy. Your editor's construction is also not correct. You should not be using either and OR then with conditional construct statements. In this case, your editor's position (on reading closer) is worse than the one you

Re: OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread eric . dunn
Steve Rickaby wrote on 06/29/2006 01:47:56 PM: If/then and If/then/else or If/then/eiseif/else have been the constructs in any programming language that I can remember working in. While I won't argue with the underlying point Steve's logic with respect to the addition of an AND clause to

Re: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Swallow
For example: If the new editor prevails, and then the boss buys into it, then you have no choice but to type up your resume. Brilliant example! But let's end on a happy note... Else hire a new editor. ;-) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley

RE: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Robert Shelton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Beck, Charles Hi Tammy, Bad news: At least one major style guide and my own experience are on your new editor's side on this one. In fact, the _Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications,

Re: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Swallow
Bad news: At least one major style guide and my own experience are on your new editor's side on this one. In fact, the _Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications, Third Edition_ takes it even further: That style guide states that you should avoid the if...then construction altogether

RE: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Beck, Charles
Right-o, Bill. I had neglected to notice the full context of the construct, and issued my first response too hastily. My bad. However, in the case of a conditional construct, I stand by my statement and conviction that most readers could not care less whether we say, If such-and-such is true,

Re: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Swallow
However, in the case of a conditional construct, I stand by my statement and conviction that most readers could not care less whether we say, If such-and-such is true, then do this, or If such-and-such is true, do this. Right, then is assumed, just as you is assumed in your examples. :-) I'll

RE: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Patterson, Jan
The Chicago Manual of Style, 15th Edition, section 5.182, says: Correlative conjunctions are used in pairs, often to join successive clauses that depend on each other to form a complete thought . . . {If the first claim is true, then the second claim must be false} . . . Some examples of

RE: OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Briggs
At 12:33 PM -0600 6/29/06, Grant Hogarth, self-professed pedant, wrote: To build still further on Eric's excellent discourse: There also exists the possibility of a conditional dependency of action. E.g. If your book wins a Pulitzer, [then] you [will/can/must/shall/may/ought

RE: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Joe Malin
Hmmm. Doesn't make much sense to me. In a *sentence* if a, then b, the word then isn't required. It's really an emphasis attached to b. For example, you could say If you are using Windows, follow these instructions: and omit the then. The word that really joins the two phrases is if, which is a

table anchors - best practices?

2006-06-29 Thread Karen Mardahl
Thanks to everyone - there has been a lot of useful information in this thread. On 6/28/06, Stuart Rogers wrote: > Rick Quatro wrote: > > > > Set the Space Above setting for the table to -2 and set the Space Below > > setting for the Anchor paragraph to -2. > > > > I use an anchor pgf the same

Visio flowchart into Frame

2006-06-29 Thread Jan Homan
Using pdfFLY (available on Unix,Linux and Windows) you convert any graphics drawing saved in PostScript/PDF file to FrameMaker MIF native format. See http://www.visual-integrity.com for more information. Jan Homan Visual Integrity Square One bv http://www.visual-integrity.com

Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure

2006-06-29 Thread Shlomo Perets
Janice, You wrote: >Thanks, Shlomo. I now understand it better now, and I think my department >is fine with it opening to the top of the page at this time. However, >when I changed the Reference Page from: gotopage ><$relfilename>:<$pagenum> to gotoObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType>

Visio flowchart into Frame

2006-06-29 Thread Ron Teplitz
Ron wrote : > Can I import a Visio flowchart into Frame 7 Solaris and retain the > live links? If not, how can I do it? Do I need Window Frame? What do you mean by 'live links'? Harro de Jong I'm told you can make a link in Visio so when you click on something, another f ile opens, like

table anchors - best practices?

2006-06-29 Thread Stuart Rogers
Karen Mardahl wrote: > I am starting to pick up on this negative number trick. For my table > anchor, I had settled on a font at 7pt (I like seeing that tag!), and > the para catalog defaulted to line space 8 pt. No space above or > below. My tables are set to 0 pt above. The white space between

FW: Print book - separate print jobs

2006-06-29 Thread Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)
When printing a book to separate pdf files (one pdf for each file in book) FM adds the book name before the file name: xxbook(file1 etc. Can this behaviour be changed somewhere, so that the print file (pdf) has only the file name without the book name? Met vriendelijke groet/Kind regards, Wim

Print book - separate print jobs

2006-06-29 Thread Spreadbury, David
In the Print Book dialog under Save Book As:, select Separate File for Each Document. This will give you separate .ps files for each chapter in your book. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs@lists.frameusers.com

Mif2Go HTML setting

2006-06-29 Thread John Posada
Hi, guys...I'm using Mif2Go (Version 3.3, Update 46) to convert to HTML for the first time...I've been using it to convert to Word for years. I've defined it to split at two headings, but it names them with system names. I'd like to have it name each htm file with something understandable, like

Visio flowchart into Frame

2006-06-29 Thread Combs, Richard
Ron Teplitz wrote: > I'm told you can make a link in Visio so when you click on > something, another f ile opens, like with a Hypertext marker > in Frame. I want to preserve links from the Visio doc to > external files when the Visio doc gets imported into Frame. I > guess that has to be

Mif2Go HTML setting

2006-06-29 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:58:24 -0700 (PDT), John Posada wrote: >Hi, guys...I'm using Mif2Go (Version 3.3, Update 46) to convert to >HTML for the first time...I've been using it to convert to Word for >years. I've defined it to split at two headings, but it names them >with system names. > >I'd

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread tammy.vanboen...@jeppesen.com
All, I am hoping the fellow writers on this list can provide some information for this request. Another writer here at Jeppesen and I have always used the following syntax for a conditional/causal statement: If , then . We have a new editor that just joined who is in

referenced graphics

2006-06-29 Thread obai...@comcast.net
Does anyone know if there is a way to make mif2go produce an rtf file that has linked graphics, rather than embedded graphics? This would be from a frame file with referenced graphics. I did not see anything about this in the mif2go help file. Thanks. Paul

Mif2Go HTML setting

2006-06-29 Thread John Posada
OK...I'm getting therethis is good so far. One last question: I'd like to have the downstream topics within a hierarchy automatically appear at the end of a topic. At the bottom of the style Title would be all the H1s until the next occurannce of the style Title. At the bottom of the style H1

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:22:20 -0600, Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote: >Our new editor wants to add the word "and" to such statements - >if , AND then . Both I and the other >writer disagree with the editor on this one - it should be just >if/then - no "and."

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Swallow
I think you need to screen for editors better. I'm not a grammarian by any stretch of the imagination, but I certainly know you don't use a coordinating conjunction to string together dependent clauses in that manner. If you want icecream, and then you buy some. Makes absolutely no sense. Time

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Anne Robotti
> Our new editor wants to add the word "and" to > such statements - if , AND then . But that doesn't even make sense grammatically! The closest thing I can find is in the Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications, it's the if/when/whether thing. I know that

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:22 -0600 29/6/06, Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote: >Our new editor wants to add the word "and" to such statements - if blah>, AND then . Both I and the other writer disagree with the >editor on this one - it should be just if/then - no "and." Boy are you going

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Jim Light
Tammy, It seems to me that "and" changes the meaning entirely! When you say "If A, then B." It means that if A occurs or exists, B will follow or exist. If you say "If A, and then B." The sentence is rendered incomplete. It makes B part of the original IF clause (I wouldn't use a comma when

referenced graphics

2006-06-29 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:28:10 +, obair81 at comcast.net wrote: >Does anyone know if there is a way to make mif2go >produce an rtf file that has linked graphics, rather >than embedded graphics? This would be from a frame >file with referenced graphics. It's possible, but not advisable.

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread tammy.vanboen...@jeppesen.com
Donald, Christine, Jeremy, et. al. LOL! This list makes my day. Believe you me, I would like to be blunt as some of you were in your emails (the responses were hysterical!), but I can summarize the responses (in a politically correct format, mind you!) and go from there. Thanks for all of

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Martha J Davidson
At 10:22 AM 6/29/2006, Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote: >Our new editor wants to add the word "and" to such >statements - if , AND then . Both I and the other >writer disagree with the editor on this one - it should be just if/then - >no "and." Tammy, I think your

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Beck, Charles
Hi Tammy, Bad news: At least one major style guide and my own experience are on your new editor's side on this one. In fact, the _Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications, Third Edition_ takes it even further: That style guide states that you should avoid the "if...then" construction

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Swallow
But if you're asked for supporting facts, you'll print out all these e-mails and hand them to your "editor", right? ;-) On 6/29/06, Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com wrote: > LOL! This list makes my day. Believe you me, I would like to be blunt as > some of you were in your emails (the

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Beck, Charles
One additional thought: Despite what I said in my previous post, I agree with Jeremy. Your editor's construction is also not correct. You should not be using either "and" OR "then" with conditional construct statements. In this case, your editor's position (on reading closer) is worse than the one

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com
Steve Rickaby wrote on 06/29/2006 01:47:56 PM: > If/then and If/then/else or If/then/eiseif/else have been the > constructs in any programming language that I can remember working > in. While I won't argue with the underlying point Steve's logic with respect to the addition of an AND clause to

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Swallow
> For example: "If the new editor prevails, and then the boss buys into > it, then you have no choice but to type up your resume." Brilliant example! But let's end on a happy note... Else hire a new editor. ;-) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Robert Shelton
> -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com]On > Behalf Of Beck, Charles > > Hi Tammy, > > Bad news: At least one major style guide and my own experience are on > your

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Swallow
> Bad news: At least one major style guide and my own experience are on > your new editor's side on this one. In fact, the _Microsoft Manual of > Style for Technical Publications, Third Edition_ takes it even further: > That style guide states that you should avoid the "if...then" > construction

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
You need to replace your new editor! Eek. Here are some references that *might* be helpful, although none of them *directly* answer your question. http://users.ipfw.edu/blythes/teach/toolkit/dc.htm http://grammar.uoregon.edu/clauses/dependent.html

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Beck, Charles
Right-o, Bill. I had neglected to notice the full context of the construct, and issued my first response too hastily. My bad. However, in the case of a conditional construct, I stand by my statement and conviction that most readers could not care less whether we say, "If such-and-such is true,

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Swallow
> However, in the case of a conditional construct, I stand by my statement > and conviction that most readers could not care less whether we say, "If > such-and-such is true, then do this," or "If such-and-such is true, do > this." Right, "then" is assumed, just as "you" is assumed in your

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread T.W. Smith
I think there's two things going on here. But, the editor should be open to discussion because she's a member of the team. Anyway: 1) If X then Y is fine. The conditional clause can be introduced that way. However, where I think the editor is going is the need for coordinating conjunctions to

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Patterson, Jan
The Chicago Manual of Style, 15th Edition, section 5.182, says: "Correlative conjunctions are used in pairs, often to join successive clauses that depend on each other to form a complete thought . . . {If the first claim is true, then the second claim must be false} . . . Some examples of

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Stuart Rogers
Beck, Charles wrote: > However, in the case of a conditional construct, I stand by my statement > and conviction that most readers could not care less whether we say, "If > such-and-such is true, then do this," or "If such-and-such is true, do > this." As always, consider your audience. Perhaps

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Briggs
At 2:04 PM -0400 6/29/06, eric.dunn at ca.transport.bombardier.com wrote: >Firstly, logically speaking, isn't there a difference between: >- If A, and then B >and >- If A and B From the point of view of someone who is used to such structures in programming languages the first variant would

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Grant Hogarth
To build still further on Eric's excellent discourse: There also exists the possibility of a conditional dependency of action. E.g. "If your book wins a Pulitzer, [then] you [will/can/must/shall/may/ought to/...] celebrate..." - If A, then B (explicit consequence,

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Briggs
At 2:13 PM -0400 6/29/06, Beck, Charles wrote: >However, in the case of a conditional construct, I stand by my statement >and conviction that most readers could not care less whether we say, "If >such-and-such is true, then do this," or "If such-and-such is true, do >this." I agree. In the

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Briggs
At 2:22 PM -0400 6/29/06, T.W. Smith wrote: >2) Click File, click New. That comma splice becomes, "Click File, then click >New." which is technically incorrect and ought be "Click File, and then click >New." But this isn't even the same construct. This is an imperative; a set of instructions:

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Bill Briggs
At 12:33 PM -0600 6/29/06, Grant Hogarth, self-professed pedant, wrote: >To build still further on Eric's excellent discourse: > >There also exists the possibility of a conditional dependency of action. > E.g. "If your book wins a Pulitzer, [then] you >

OT: Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com
Bill Briggs wrote on 06/29/2006 03:30:32 PM: > At 2:04 PM -0400 6/29/06, eric.dunn at ca.transport.bombardier.com wrote: > >Firstly, logically speaking, isn't there a difference between: > >- If A, and then B > >and > >- If A and B > From the point of view of someone who is used to such

referenced graphics

2006-06-29 Thread obai...@comcast.net
Does that mean that, if I pick Do not Write Equations, and hide the BMPs that [GraphFiles] tif=bmp points to, that I will get empty frames where the images would be? If after generation I then put the BMPs in the same folder as the word file, and re-open the word file, will they appear as

Syntax for if/then statement

2006-06-29 Thread Joe Malin
Hmmm. Doesn't make much sense to me. In a *sentence* "if , then ", the word "then" isn't required. It's really an emphasis attached to . For example, you could say "If you are using Windows, follow these instructions:" and omit the "then". The word that really joins the two phrases is "if",