Okay, it looks like it is Confluence 4.X ... we use their hosted site for Jira
by Atlassian (www.atlassian.com), so it is there latest hosted version of
Confluence.
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From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:44 PM
To: 'Robert Laur
Okay, it looks like it is Confluence 4.X ... we use their hosted site for Jira
by Atlassian (www.atlassian.com), so it is there latest hosted version of
Confluence.
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From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:44 PM
To: 'Robert Laur
I am not sure ... I will go check the site to see which version it is and
report back soon.
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Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:55 AM
To: framers@lists.f
I am not sure ... I will go check the site to see which version it is and
report back soon.
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Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:55 AM
To: framers at l
I was only evaluating FrameMaker 10's XML / DocBook / DITA features to
see if it made sense to use XML source instead of .fm for new
projects.
Nobody pointed me to DITA-FMx. Sounds like it would be worth
evaluating if I needed to do DITA.
If I did not already own FrameMaker the need to buy a plug
ile dealing with the lack of
> documentation and samples and the relatively crude UI.
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Hello All,
We have used RH8 HTML, previously, to create our Primary Output as Flash Help.
Our RH templates that provide steps for cleaning up this output (which is from
FrameMaker) require that we re-size all our graphics (either make them smaller
or larger), and fix all numbered lists.
This w
Thanks but that was for Confluence 3.x wiki markup rather than 4.x
XHTML, and as you can see from the comments at the bottom of the page
the project was abandoned without achieving its goal.
I'm pretty sure I've found everything there is online regarding
FrameMaker and Confluence migration / integ
Are you using Confluence 3.x or 4.x? The work I've been doing is
irrelevant to 3.x, which requires wiki markup.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
> Thanks, Jeremy. I will take a look at his efforts to do this.
>
> I already have a login on mif2go.c
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I was only evaluating FrameMaker 10's XML / DocBook / DITA features to
see if it made sense to use XML source instead of .fm for new
projects.
Nobody pointed me to DITA-FMx. Sounds like it would be worth
evaluating if I needed to do DITA.
If I did not already own FrameMaker the need to buy a plug
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Hi Robert
You are correct in saying that it takes more time to be productive with
FrameMaker and DITA, but I think "two weeks or more of downtime" is a bit
exaggerated. With DITA-FMx, you can be up and running within an hour (or
two). Moreover, DITA-FMx has good documentation and an excellent samp
Hi, Yves.
Oh, I agree that if I were indeed _needing_ to use DITA for my work right now,
then DITA-FMx would be at the top of the list.
However, with my current documentation workflow (as mentioned in a different
thread), it is overkill for me to buy DITA-FMx for my own education purposes at
t
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Hi Syed
Buying DITA-FMx makes sense for everyone who is using FrameMaker. Just take
a look at the DITA Feature Comparison on the Leximation site:
www.leximation.com/dita-fmx/featurecomparison.php
Believe me, you cannot really "do DITA" in a production environment with
FrameMaker without DITA-FMx
04 PM
>>> To: Scott Prentice;framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>> Subject: Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in
>>> FrameMaker 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The problem is that "creating a DITA project" in FrameMaker is
>>
On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:07:03 -0700, "Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)" wrote:
>So, I need to change my flow to output clean HTML that
>can be far more easily put into Confluence and am trying
>to figure out the best way to proceed here.
>
>Do people have recommendations as to the b
On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:01:28 -0700, Scott Prentice
wrote:
>To step back a bit .. the DITA-OT is a library of XSLT and Java code
>that lets you create may types of output (HTML, CHM, Eclipse Help, Java
>Help, PDF, etc.). Yes, it's free and can be used to create all sorts of
>output from DITA,
What is the point of the Favourite Scripts portion of the Script Library
in Frame 10 if the scripts disappear when I reopen Frame?! Am I missing
something obvious? Thanks.
Eric Isaacson
Product Literature Manager
Schweitzer Engineering Laboratories, Inc.
eric_isaac...@selinc.com
509.332.1890 x1
509.332.1890 x1241
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Hi Syeed---
I would suggest you look at MIF2Go if you've just got one writer or
workstream, or possibly WebWorks if you have multiple. Both do all that
you ask for.
I've used both, and am very happy with MIF2Go. WebWorks ePublisher
Express is working fine for a client, but I don't do anything
Thanks but that was for Confluence 3.x wiki markup rather than 4.x
XHTML, and as you can see from the comments at the bottom of the page
the project was abandoned without achieving its goal.
I'm pretty sure I've found everything there is online regarding
FrameMaker and Confluence migration / integ
Are you using Confluence 3.x or 4.x? The work I've been doing is
irrelevant to 3.x, which requires wiki markup.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
> Thanks, Jeremy. I will take a look at his efforts to do this.
>
> I already have a login on mif2g
Hi Robert,
I don't know if this can help :
http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DISC/Framemaker+native+to+Confluence+-+case+study.
Best regards,
Mathieu
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:18:14 -0700
> Subject: Re: FrameMaker > Confluence 4.x?
> From: rob...@lauriston.com
> To: framers@lists.frame
Thanks, Jeremy. I will take a look at his efforts to do this.
I already have a login on mif2go.com and recently download the demo version of
MIF2go 4.0.
Just need to install and try it to see if it is what works best for me. If so,
then I will proceed to a purchase.
Thanks again!
Z
-Orig
Well .. *if* you switched to DITA, there are lots of options for getting
very clean HTML (already discussed). If you stay with unstructured FM,
you don't want to get the HTML directly from FM (as you've found) .. it
can probably be fixed up a bit from what you're seeing, but that option
is not
etc., etc.
>
> So, I need to change my flow to output clean HTML that can be far more easily
> put into Confluence and am trying to figure out the best way to proceed here.
>
> Do people have recommendations as to the best workflow for this? I have
> changed the title of this thread to make sure that I don't confuse everybody
> ...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Z
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Hi Syeed---
I would suggest you look at MIF2Go if you've just got one writer or
workstream, or possibly WebWorks if you have multiple. Both do all that
you ask for.
I've used both, and am very happy with MIF2Go. WebWorks ePublisher
Express is working fine for a client, but I don't do anything
Thanks, Jeremy. I will take a look at his efforts to do this.
I already have a login on mif2go.com and recently download the demo version of
MIF2go 4.0.
Just need to install and try it to see if it is what works best for me. If so,
then I will proceed to a purchase.
Thanks again!
Z
-Orig
Oh yeah, of course. At the end of the reference pages for the
generated paragraph list file there's an APL page that defines the
output. Thanks.
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:53 PM, MamaRed Knight
wrote:
>
> Robert...I'm not a version 10 user AND if the logic from previous versions
> holds, there is
That sounds like manual coding with a text editor. I expect more from
an authoring tool.
I know enough about DocBook and DITA that I could be immediately
productive with Oxygen XML or XMetal. In contrast, FrameMaker looks
like two weeks or more of downtime while dealing with the lack of
documentat
Probably, but I already own MIF2Go and have it generating compatible
XHTML. The challenge is doing it in bulk, converting a whole
FrameMaker book to a Confluence space.
I only mentioned WebWorks because ePublisher Designer has
off-the-shelf support for Confluence, so it seems like the obvious
choi
On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:07:03 -0700, "Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)" wrote:
>So, I need to change my flow to output clean HTML that
>can be far more easily put into Confluence and am trying
>to figure out the best way to proceed here.
>
>Do people have recommendations as to the best
Oh my .. I don't know how I left that out of my post. Yes .. DITA2Go is
an excellent choice for publishing from DITA. Especially since you can
now run it directly from the DITA-FMx menu in Frame (7.2 on up)!
Jeremy .. I may just quote you in the future. This is so true .. "OT is
the most expen
know of that does that with real single-
> sourcing (like *2Go), not just import.
>
> HTH!
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> http://mif2go.com/
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Thanks, Nadine and Scott.
As I mentioned in my other e-mail, DITA is just a learning curiosity for me at
this point. It *seems* overly compex for what I need, but looking to learn
nevertheless ...
Now to real reason for this thread!
My *current* flow is simple:
1. Write the documents and
Thanks, Nadine and Scott.
As I mentioned in my other e-mail, DITA is just a learning curiosity for me at
this point. It *seems* overly compex for what I need, but looking to learn
nevertheless ...
Now to real reason for this thread!
My *current* flow is simple:
1. Write the documents and
On 17/05/2012 5:12 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> Is there some way to suppress the page numbers in a FrameMaker 10 list
> of paragraphs?
>
As with all generated files, find the appropriate flow ("APL" in the
case of Alphabetical Paragraph List) in the reference pages and delete
the <$pagenum> bu
On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:01:28 -0700, Scott Prentice wrote:
>To step back a bit .. the DITA-OT is a library of XSLT and Java code
>that lets you create may types of output (HTML, CHM, Eclipse Help, Java
>Help, PDF, etc.). Yes, it's free and can be used to create all sorts of
>output from DITA, b
Oh yeah, of course. At the end of the reference pages for the
generated paragraph list file there's an APL page that defines the
output. Thanks.
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:53 PM, MamaRed Knight
wrote:
>
> Robert...I'm not a version 10 user AND if the logic from previous versions
> holds, there is
d the EDD (and perhaps some of its quirks
with how it handles attribute filtering).
I recommend this book for becoming familiar with DITA:
http://comtech-serv.com//index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_3&p
roducts_id=10
Nadine
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Ah, the DITA Open Toolkit (or DITA OT) is a separate beast. It's a free, open
source program that allows you to create output from your DITA content
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DITA_Open_Toolkit).
Determine what output you need to create. If you need to create PDFs only, you
might want to do
Thanks for the detailed reply, Scott!
Right now, DITA is a curiosity for me and I want to learn more about it. I.e.,
I don't have any specific need to create documents/output using DITA for our
company.
So, buying DITA-FMx does not make sense for me, since I would not be able to
justify expens
Ah, the DITA Open Toolkit (or DITA OT) is a separate beast. It's a free, open
source program that allows you to create output from your DITA content
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DITA_Open_Toolkit).
Determine what output you need to create. If you need to create PDFs only, you
might want to do
so much from
this list all the time ... :)
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Ah .. the OT plugin. Yes .. that's a "connector" plugin that allows you
to process your DITA content through the DITA Open Toolkit. Adobe
provided that for FM9, but hasn't made one for FM10 (they want you to
use RoboHelp instead). The FM9 version should work for FM10 (although it
was a bit tric
ther XML authoring
>>tool. You do need to understand the structured FrameMaker UI,
>> but
>>DITA is DITA regardless of the tool.
>>
>>
>> Agreed. What might be particular to FM is how to create output such as
>> PDFs, the topic templates, and the EDD (and perhaps some of its quirks
>> with how it handles attribute filtering).
>>
>>
>> I recommend this book for becoming familiar with DITA:
>> http://comtech-serv.com//index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_3&p
>> roducts_id=10
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>> Nadine
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Hmmm ... I may have been quite unclear in my question, since I am a DITA novice!
The reason I asked is that the Adobe web site has a "FrameMaker 9 Plug-in for
DITA Open Toolkit" here:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/fm9_opentoolkit.html
But I don't see an equivalent for FM 10 ... at leas
Hmmm ... I may have been quite unclear in my question, since I am a DITA novice!
The reason I asked is that the Adobe web site has a "FrameMaker 9 Plug-in for
DITA Open Toolkit" here:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/fm9_opentoolkit.html
But I don't see an equivalent for FM 10 ... at leas
That sounds like manual coding with a text editor. I expect more from
an authoring tool.
I know enough about DocBook and DITA that I could be immediately
productive with Oxygen XML or XMetal. In contrast, FrameMaker looks
like two weeks or more of downtime while dealing with the lack of
documentat
Well .. technically, it's both. Many features in FM are implemented as
plugins. The DITA support in FM since FM8 has been delivered as FDK
client plugins, but it is included pre-installed with the default
installation. You're thinking of the "DITA Application Pack for FM7.2"
.. that was deliver
as PDFs,
>> the
>> topic templates, and the EDD (and perhaps some of its quirks with how it
>> handles
>> attribute filtering).
>>
>>
>> I recommend this book for becoming familiar with DITA:
>> http://comtech-serv.com//index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_3&products_id=10
>>
>> Nadine
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Probably, but I already own MIF2Go and have it generating compatible
XHTML. The challenge is doing it in bulk, converting a whole
FrameMaker book to a Confluence space.
I only mentioned WebWorks because ePublisher Designer has
off-the-shelf support for Confluence, so it seems like the obvious
choi
It's built into FM 10 as it was built in to FM 9. You have to switch to the
structured interface to see it (File > Preferences > General). I don't have
very much experience with FM 10, but if you want to use DITA 1.2, the
underlying templates and EDDs are different than FM 9. Someone more
knowl
It's built into FM 10 as it was built in to FM 9. You have to switch to the
structured interface to see it (File > Preferences > General). I don't have
very much experience with FM 10, but if you want to use DITA 1.2, the
underlying templates and EDDs are different than FM 9. Someone more
knowl
Hi, Nadine, Scott, et. al.
A question for users of FrameMaker 10 ... is the DITA support built-in to this
version, or is there a separate plug-in for it (like was released by Adobe for
FrameMaker 9)?
If it is a plug-in still, does anyone have a link for it? I searched the Adobe
web site and di
Robert Lauriston wrote:
> Is there some way to suppress the page numbers in a FrameMaker 10 list
> of paragraphs?
Adding an alphabetical list of paragraphs creates an APL page containing an APL
flow in the reference pages. That flow defines the generated list just like the
TOC flow defines the
Hi, Nadine, Scott, et. al.
A question for users of FrameMaker 10 ... is the DITA support built-in to this
version, or is there a separate plug-in for it (like was released by Adobe for
FrameMaker 9)?
If it is a plug-in still, does anyone have a link for it? I searched the Adobe
web site and di
Robert Lauriston wrote:
> Is there some way to suppress the page numbers in a FrameMaker 10 list
> of paragraphs?
Adding an alphabetical list of paragraphs creates an APL page containing an APL
flow in the reference pages. That flow defines the generated list just like the
TOC flow defines the
On 17/05/2012 5:12 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
Is there some way to suppress the page numbers in a FrameMaker 10 list
of paragraphs?
As with all generated files, find the appropriate flow ("APL" in the
case of Alphabetical Paragraph List) in the reference pages and delete
the <$pagenum> buil
The idea of an alphabetical generated list is a good one, and here are a few
further tips. Build it, but then configure the
reference pages to drop the pg number. In the resulting generated file select
all the content, then copy it to Excel.
In Excel you can select all the content and apply a fi
I should also mention that when I was getting started with DITA, I took a
course about DITA in FM at Front Runner in Toronto
(http://www.front-runner.com/) that was taught by Bernard Aschwanden. Since
then, he's written a book about learning DITA (with tutorials):
http://www.publishingsmarter.c
I should also mention that when I was getting started with DITA, I took a
course about DITA in FM at Front Runner in Toronto
(http://www.front-runner.com/) that was taught by Bernard Aschwanden. Since
then, he's written a book about learning DITA (with tutorials):
http://www.publishingsmarter.c
The idea of an alphabetical generated list is a good one, and here are a few
further tips. Build it, but then configure the
reference pages to drop the pg number. In the resulting generated file select
all the content, then copy it to Excel.
In Excel you can select all the content and apply a fi
Ah!
Do you use or have access to a Mac, per chance?
If you do, it should (have not tested myself though) also work on a Mac OS X
system in a terminal window ... :) :)
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Ah!
Do you use or have access to a Mac, per chance?
If you do, it should (have not tested myself though) also work on a Mac OS X
system in a terminal window ... :) :)
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