Hi,
Another aspect which was not mentioned yet:
If you have two different templates, I assume that the
margins are kept for both paper sizes. That means that
the text frame for the main text flow has a different
width. That also means that tables which will extend
across the text frame width might
Hi,
This works also in other applications like Acrobat, Word or Excel.
I agree that it's very convenient to be able to set the default zoom
levels. I will miss this when I will switch to FM 11. (I am on FM 10 now.)
In my oppinion many of the options in the ini files should be available
in dialogs
At 09:01 p.m. 20/02/2013, Helen Borrie wrote:
>Hello list,
>
>I'm struggling a bit here with conditionals, specifically text containing
>cross-references. The original unstructured book is 40 chapters and 14
>appendices with all the other usual front and back matter. It is in
>distribution as
nt issue in the tabs.
Maybe somebody who's good with a programming resource editor could solve
this, but it's beyond my skill level.
Regards
Keith
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> What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you
switched from Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way
to handle that?
Variables. Then just define each variable as having the UK spelling in
your A4 template and the US spelling in your letter template.
The only p
Hi Alison,
The European "equivalent" to Tabloid is A3 (297x420mm) which is 18mm
wider and 12mm shorter than the 11x17" Tabloid.
Hope this is of some help.
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Alison Craig
wrote:
> Here?s a ?what if? scenario to layer on top of the Letter vs A4
Now that is one of the handiest tips I've ever gotten from this list! (And
I've been around a long time!)
Works in FM10 as well.
Craig
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While this may not meet your needs, you can affect all (or just the selected)
files in a book by choosing View > Zoom and choosing In, Out, 100%, Fit Page in
Window (plus a couple of others). I find this useful since my monitor happens
to fit the page to a full size window at 84%. The fact that
Hello All
While I agree about the use of two templates, there's a more
philosophical aspect to this that has not been mentioned. When we talk
about page size, we refer to the physical paper on which a document will
be printed. But a more important consideration from an aesthetic point
of view
Fellow Framers,
I've just finished a contract and am interested in new opportunities for
FrameMaker work. I'm located in the Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN area.
Craig Ede
FrameMaker user since 1991
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A3 is 11.693" x 16.535".
Brits are used to putting up with American English in technical
documentation, but if you had to deliver two versions, it would
probably be most efficient to handle one as a translation.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Alison Craig
wrote:
> What if you also had to swi
Create two sets of master page definitions and import the one you want?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Lise Bible wrote:
> Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page
> sizes, depending on which version of a book you want to print?
___
Doh! Peter is correct about the page dimensions. Sufficient coffee
evidently has not reached neurons yet.
Grant
On 2/21/2013 9:35 AM, Peter Hirons wrote:
I frequently hit this problem, but my solution is to define a custom
paper size of 8.25 x 11 inches. This will print on both paper sizes
Hello Lise;
There are two (IMO) better solutions than two full books.
One is to use a "universal" page (11.5 x 7.5 in ) --short enough to fit
on US Letter; narrow enough for A4. The downside is that you will end up
with extra white space (L&R on US, T&B on A4). OTOH, you can print the
PDF
Lise,
Years ago, a colleague suggested that I set up all projects to work with
both A4 paper and US letter 8.5 x 11 paper by setting the page size to
Custom with the width to 8.26" and the height to 11". As far as I know, this
works, and you don't have to switch back and forth. You'll have a litt
I thought that MicroType's Express Customization tool for FrameMaker might be a
partial solution to this as it does have customized toolbars with coloured
icons. But alas, the toolbar customization is only available in FrameMaker 8
and earlier. The FrameMaker 9-11 version offers customized menu
I got the solution.. This issue was due to the paragraph design format. I
imported the paragraph formats from the source FM file to the destination FM
file...
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Hi all,
I am working a many FM books (version 10). I am trying to copy Note, Caution,
Warning images from one FM file reference page to another FM file.
I open one of the FM file which displays these icons and perform the following
step in the destination file:
1. Choose File > Import
this into two
separate books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had
recommendations.
Thanks,
Lise
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I have to set some of these, so just posting here in case I am missing a trick.
Some of the figures in the book I'm working on will have to be spread over two
pages. Obviously these will have to be facing pages.
In the absence of the ability to float a paragraph in FrameMaker, the only
thing I
On 21/02/2013 10:57 AM, Lise Bible wrote:
>
> I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to
> show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the
> American market or European.
> This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with
> 8.5x11 (US
) increases the magnification.
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Yep, and it's fully edited!!
Just have to get past PDF output shenanigans; it should be available in the
first week of March!
-Matt
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On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Jeff Coatsworth
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> He **is** writing the book on all this ;>)
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Works in FM9 as well! But it scrolls up and down using the settings I've
defined.
How does it work if you haven't/can't set those in FM 11?
Alison
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Can anyone help me to know what is going wrong?
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;)
-Matt
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On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Craig Ede wrote:
> Now that is one of the handiest tips I've ever gotten from this list! (And
> I've been around a long time!)
> Works in F
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> Works in FM10 as well.
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fwiw, I've gotten used to using the Ctrl-Scroll Wheel to change my zoom
settings. Pushing the scroll wheel away (up) makes things smaller, while
dragging toward me (down) increases the magnification.
-Matt
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On 21/02/2013 10:57 AM, Lise Bible wrote:
I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the
American market or European.
This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with
8.5x11 (US-letter s
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Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I just noticed that I cannot
set custom zoom levels in FM 11. Why was the functionality of the old
dialog box (or whatever it was called) removed? And no, I don't mean typing
into the percentage/drop-down box--you know, the one that doesn't even look
lik
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At 10:37 a.m. 21/02/2013, rebecca officer wrote:
>Hi Helen
>
>Our books end up with thousands of hidden unresolved xrefs and they've never
>been a problem.
>
>If I'm reading this right, your TOC etc won't update, and you're blaming the
>hidden unresolved xrefs. Right?
Well...more like "assumin
Go here, and look for TreePrint:
http://www.cudspan.net/plugins/
It's free. It gives you a CudSpan Doc Tools menu. Select the root of the tree
you want to expand or contract, and choose the command.
The only funky command in this is collapsing all attributes in a tree. For
some reason, you
>I know printed copies from PDFs are almost quaint these days
Call me a Luddite, but I don't agree. This article is a bit old, but I think it
still holds true:
http://www.booklistonline.com/The-Manley-Arts-The-Cockroach-Will-Manley/pid=5390998
Nadine
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>I know printed copies from PDFs are almost quaint these days
Call me a Luddite, but I don't agree. This article is a bit old, but I think it
still holds
true:?http://www.booklistonline.com/The-Manley-Arts-The-Cockroach-Will-Manley/pid=5390998
Nadine
Hi Scott, Yves,Yes, Structure Tools has that, along with a bunch of other expand/collapse-related additions. The plugin is not free, but the trial version is fully functional and will never bug you about those commands. So in essence, those features are free.RussMess
>I agree that Nadine’s suggestion of two templates is probably best if you have
>time to work through each document every time you change to check that there
>aren’t any unfortunate page breaks. Sensible use of “keep with next” instead
>of hard “top of page” settings can help of course.
Yes, d
Great and useful advice as always, everyone.
Thanks, Alison
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:40 AM
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Subject: RE: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?
Alison
>I agree that Nadine?s suggestion of two templates is probably best if you have
>time to work through each document every time you change to check that there
>aren?t any unfortunate page breaks.? Sensible use of ?keep with next? instead
>of hard ?top of page? settings can help of course.
Yes, d
I always have to check page breaks (or reasonable text flow might be the better
description) as I create 3 different PDFs off the conditional source files -
and I only have Chapter and Appendix headings set to top of page, so that isn't
a problem.
I know printed copies from PDFs are almost quai
orter (just over one centimeter).
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>Also, does anyone know the equivalent custom paper size "fudge" for switching
>between Tabloid (11x17) and the closest European paper size?
European A3 is the closest to US Tabloid. As I recall, it is slightly wider
(just under two centimeters) and slightly shorter (just ove
ly shorter (just over one centimeter).
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I already use a fair amount of Conditional text as my Service manuals cover 3
platforms.
I'd have to think carefully about adding another.
Alison
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The nearest ISO (Note: International Standards organisation - not just
European) size is A3, which just happens to be twice the area of A4.
That's approx. 11.5 x 16.5 inches (exactly 297 x 420 mm). If I had to
deal with that and your quaint tabloid size I'd set up a custom size of
11 x 16.5.
I
>What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched from
>Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle that?
The only thing I can think of is conditional text. But you can include your
condition settings in the template.
Nadine
>What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched from
>Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle that?
The only thing I can think of is conditional text. But you can include your
condition settings in the template.
Nadine
I already use a fair amount of Conditional text as my Service manuals cover 3
platforms.
I'd have to think carefully about adding another.
Alison
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Hi Alison,
The European "equivalent" to Tabloid is A3 (297x420mm) which is 18mm
wider and 12mm shorter than the 11x17" Tabloid.
Hope this is of some help.
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Alison Craig
wrote:
> Here’s a “what if” scenario to layer on top of the Letter vs A4
A3 is 11.693" x 16.535".
Brits are used to putting up with American English in technical
documentation, but if you had to deliver two versions, it would
probably be most efficient to handle one as a translation.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Alison Craig
wrote:
> What if you also had to swi
Assuming that copy is not to change, I would be inclined to link text to
the two templates (import by reference) rather than import it by
copying. That is, a third file that contains formatted text, plus the A4
and Letter templates.
Any copy changes are made to the linked text and reflected in
ave to break this into two
separate books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had
recommendations.
Thanks,
Lise
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(clever solution Nadine - I'll keep that in mind for my Service Manual)...
What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched from
Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle
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recommendations.
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nding on which version of a book you want to print?
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> I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two
> separate books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had
> recommendations.
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Regarding my earlier response to Lise's posting.
I expressed only my own professional opinions and not those of my
employer. I have no interest in MicroType other than being a satisfied
customer.
Regards,
Dave Stamm
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At 11:42 p.m. 20/02/2013, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>Are you sure it's not generating the TOC and index? It thought Frame updated
>whatever it could, even if some things were unresolved.
I was hoping that would be so, but so far it is not. I'll persevere because
I'm not keen to throw the baby out w
2013-02-21-04T17:00Z
Lisa -
I agree with Nadine's first recommendation, which is what we have done
here.
Preparing for this process emphasizes that "less is [or fewer are]
more." Wield "Ockham's Razor" judiciously, of not ruthlessly.
For _full_ benefit, I highly recommend that you
Create two sets of master page definitions and import the one you want?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Lise Bible wrote:
> Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page
> sizes, depending on which version of a book you want to print?
You could try creating two separate templates (in FM files that are separate
from the book and separate from each other). One template file is 8.5 x 11, and
the other is A4. Both can contain all other attributes (paragraph styles,
character styles, colour definitions, etc). Apply the first templ
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I frequently hit this problem, but my solution is to define a custom
paper size of 8.25 x 11 inches. This will print on both paper sizes
without problems and means you don't have the problems of making things
fit.
Peter
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I have to set some of these, so just posting here in case I am missing a trick.
Some of the figures in the book I'm working on will have to be spread over two
pages. Obviously these will have to be facing pages.
In the absence of the ability to float a paragraph in FrameMaker, the only
thing I
Hi everyone
I actually raised this as a bug with Adobe when I first saw FM11. It's worse
than just ugly for me; that drop-shadow's a bit of a migraine trigger. I'm
really hoping they'll make it optional!
Cheers
Rebecca
>>> "Carol J. Elkins" 02/21/13 7:57 AM >>>
I'm so glad other people have
Fellow Framers,
I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by this
list's members to be quite helpful!
I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the American
market or European.
This
At 09:01 p.m. 20/02/2013, Helen Borrie wrote:
>Hello list,
>
>I'm struggling a bit here with conditionals, specifically text containing
>cross-references. The original unstructured book is 40 chapters and 14
>appendices with all the other usual front and back matter. It is in
>distribution as
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