about how it looks on a frame on the
> wall-ID
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Litchfield [mailto:alan at alphabyte.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:43 PM
> To: Matt Sullivan
> Cc: peter at knowhowpro.com; 'framers'
> Subject: Re: InDesign as
meusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Litchfield
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:18 PM
> To: peter at knowhowpro.com
> Cc: framers
> Subject: Re: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
>
> Gotta say, after Peter's run through, that I am considering trying out
> CS3 on an existi
Gotta say, after Peter's run through, that I am considering trying out
CS3 on an existing project that is mostly gnarly tables, cross
references, and list and index markers.
While it sounds great that ID is now able to perform most core
functions it is with concern that some are only availab
> My original reason for asking about InDesign as a replacement for
> Framemaker was that I have been asked by a new manager to dispose of
> Framemaker and transfer all writing tasks, 700 page User Guides, and various
> other docs to InDesign. The problem I am worried about is that we use
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:51 PM, mulholland4 wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> I sent an email to Art and received a very good reply which I think answers
> all of my questions (I have pasted them in the lower section of this email.)
> My original reason for asking about InDesign as a rep
Hi Peter,
I sent an email to Art and received a very good reply which I think answers
all of my questions (I have pasted them in the lower section of this email.)
My original reason for asking about InDesign as a replacement for
Framemaker was that I have been asked by a new manager to dispose
field [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:43 PM
To: Matt Sullivan
Cc: peter at knowhowpro.com; 'framers'
Subject: Re: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
Neither ;)
Education, policy and government planning documentation. Remember
there are many types
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:18 PM
To: peter at knowhowpro.com
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
Gotta say, after Peter's run through, that I am considering trying out
CS3 on an existing project that is mostly g
A drop in the pond on this runaway thread -
For the documents I produce, there is no way that InDesign could handle the
work of Frame. That would be a real nightmare. In other words, they
*cannot*do each other?s jobs.
I tend to be a meticulous user of Frame, and all of those features missing
from
Hi, Robert:
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Robert Rogge
wrote:
> A drop in the pond on this runaway thread -
>
> For the documents I produce, there is no way that InDesign could handle the
> work of Frame. That would be a real nightmare. In other words, they
> *cannot*do each other?s jobs.
>
A drop in the pond on this runaway thread -
For the documents I produce, there is no way that InDesign could handle the
work of Frame. That would be a real nightmare. In other words, they
*cannot*do each other´s jobs.
I tend to be a meticulous user of Frame, and all of those features missing
from
Well said, Jeremy!
Seraphim
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:46:29 -0700, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I hardly see how your request is related to "natural
> >justice" any more or less than a request to also a
Well said, Jeremy!
Seraphim
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:46:29 -0700, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
> >I hardly see how your request is related to "natural
> >justice" any more or less than a request to also allow simultaneous
> >activation of the
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:46:29 -0700, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I hardly see how your request is related to "natural
>justice" any more or less than a request to also allow simultaneous
>activation of the same license of FrameMaker on computers used by other
>members of your family.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:46:29 -0700, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>I hardly see how your request is related to "natural
>justice" any more or less than a request to also allow simultaneous
>activation of the same license of FrameMaker on computers used by other
>members of your family.
Really, Dov? The f
Am 12.09.2008 um 10:44 schrieb Amnon Yaish:
> Does ID have
> anything comparable to a FM edd ?
A FrameMaker EDD is: validating structure rules combined with context-
aware, automatic, ready-for-print formatting.
InDesign has nothing like that.
If you (just) use an EDD to format XML documents
Regarding the need to run Frame on multiple computers and manage
licenses: what about running Frame from a Citrix server? Is this an
option that Adobe supports for large installations?
Just curious,
Martin
Martin R. Smith
www.golehtek.com
...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
martin.smith at golehtek.com
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:13 PM
To: framers
Subject: RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
Regarding the need to run Frame on multiple computers and manage
licenses: what
: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
Graeme,
Don't count on getting that extra activation. The EULA is quite clear
in terms of how many systems - two - you may simultaneously install and
activate simultaneously and that you may legally only execute on one of
those at any time. I hardly se
]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:13 PM
To: framers
Subject: RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
Regarding the need to run Frame on multiple computers and manage
licenses: what about running Frame from a Citrix server? Is this an
Regarding the need to run Frame on multiple computers and manage
licenses: what about running Frame from a Citrix server? Is this an
option that Adobe supports for large installations?
Just curious,
Martin
Martin R. Smith
www.golehtek.com
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> Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been incorporated into
> InDesign, but unless you are using none of FrameMaker's structured features
> (support for XML and DITA), and conditional text, equations, etc., InDesign
> won't satisfy your needs.
Adobe is going to be unveiling CS4 on
er 12, 2008 10:48 AM
To: Dov Isaacs; framers; Graeme R Forbes
Subject: RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
Adobe (and many other companies) must learn that many writers use
products on different computers at different times, and their approach
puts hurdles in the way of honest customers. There
Graeme,
Are you using any xml / structured functionality on ID ? Does ID have
anything comparable to a FM edd ?
Amnon.
Graeme R Forbes (Graeme.Forbes at Colorado.EDU) said on 12/09/08 at 2:18 :
>Well, I've started to move from FM to ID, so that I do not remain
>forever stuck with G5 hardwar
Am 12.09.2008 um 00:17 schrieb Peter Gold:
> Hi, Dov:
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>> To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker,
>> InDesign
>> was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a "replacement for
>> FrameMaker."
>>
>> Yes, over time
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:59 AM, John Sgammato
wrote:
> For example, I guess there is a plug-in that can handle cross references?
> That would be helpful, but I don't know what it is or how to get it.
Try http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=crin (only heard of it,
haven't used it)
--
Milan
/2008 9:57 AM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
This time I agree fully with Art!
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Art Campbell wrote:
> As interesting as the thread on XML is (and it is), the OP didn't ask
> anything about, or re
As interesting as the thread on XML is (and it is), the OP didn't ask
anything about, or related to, XML. So we're experiencing some basic
thread drift.
He's asking about moving from a technical publishing tool to a
design-driven tool, but not providing any details on why, or what
features he uses
;
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Fri 9/12/2008 11:46 AM
> To: framers; Graeme R Forbes
> Subject: RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
>
>
>
> Graeme,
>
> Don't count on getting that extra act
john
>
>
>
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Fri 9/12/2008 11:46 AM
> To: framers; Graeme R Forbes
> Subject: RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
>
>
>
> Graeme,
>
> Don't
This question goes back to what is the final output suppose to be? If
it is a b-c solution where eye appeal is needed to attract a sale or
something, then InDesign may be the way to go.
If it is a b-b model where the final output is for information or for
status reports or something like that
This time I agree fully with Art!
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Art Campbell wrote:
> As interesting as the thread on XML is (and it is), the OP didn't ask
> anything about, or related to, XML. So we're experiencing some basic
> thread drift.
>
> He's asking about moving from a technical publi
raeme R Forbes
Subject: RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
Adobe (and many other companies) must learn that many writers use
products on different computers at different times, and their approach
puts hurdles in the way of honest customers. There must be a
technological way to prevent the
same time. That is
the solution, not a policy that fails to keep up with the needs of the customer
base.
ymmv, etc
john
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dov Isaacs
Sent: Fri 9/12/2008 11:46 AM
To: framers; Graeme R Forbes
Subject: RE: InDesign as a
Graeme,
Don't count on getting that extra activation. The EULA is quite clear
in terms of how many systems - two - you may simultaneously install and
activate simultaneously and that you may legally only execute on one of
those at any time. I hardly see how your request is related to "natural
just
Graeme,
Don't count on getting that extra activation. The EULA is quite clear
in terms of how many systems - two - you may simultaneously install and
activate simultaneously and that you may legally only execute on one of
those at any time. I hardly see how your request is related to "natural
just
Hi Graeme,
FrameMaker now has "activation" with version 8.
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com
> One really maddening issue is "activation". A single-user license
> only lets you have 2 activations, so if like me you have a home
> desktop, an office desktop, an
Well, I've started to move from FM to ID, so that I do not remain
forever stuck with G5 hardware and Tiger. It's with immense
reluctance that I reward Adobe with more purchases after they dropped
MacFM...no, let's not get started on that.
The ID learning curve is much steeper. I bought FM3 i
Am 12.09.2008 um 00:17 schrieb Peter Gold:
> Hi, Dov:
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker,
>> InDesign
>> was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a "replacement for
>> FrameMaker."
>>
Adobe actually presents the case for deciding pretty well.
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/comparison.html
Art
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
I respectfully disagree with Art's conclusion.
While this feature comparison checklist is pretty thorough, and though
it omits some features of both products, it is useful for some
purposes.
However, because it doesn't present a user's experience or evaluation
in using either product for its inte
Hi, Dov:
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote:
> To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, InDesign
> was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a "replacement for FrameMaker."
>
> Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been incorporated into
> I
The only comment I will make is that the support is very different and
that you cannot simply replace FrameMaker with InDesign if you are using
FrameMaker's structured tools.
- Dov
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Gold
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:17 PM
>
> Hi, Dov:
>
The only comment I will make is that the support is very different and
that you cannot simply replace FrameMaker with InDesign if you are using
FrameMaker's structured tools.
- Dov
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Gold
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:17 PM
>
> Hi, Dov:
>
Hi, Dov:
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, InDesign
> was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a "replacement for FrameMaker."
>
> Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been in
Hi everyone,
Has anyone replaced Framemaker with InDesign? Is this possible? What are
the pro's and cons? Does anyone know of an in depth study of this topic.
Any useful comments would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Mulholland
To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, InDesign
was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a "replacement for FrameMaker."
Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been incorporated into
InDesign, but unless you are using none of FrameMaker's structured featu
To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, InDesign
was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a "replacement for FrameMaker."
Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been incorporated into
InDesign, but unless you are using none of FrameMaker's structured featu
Hi everyone,
Has anyone replaced Framemaker with InDesign? Is this possible? What are
the pro's and cons? Does anyone know of an in depth study of this topic.
Any useful comments would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Mulholland
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