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ike to be the person the writers go to for information. --Lynn From: Bill Swallow To: Lynn Gold/Santa Clara/Contr/IBM@IBMUS Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" Date: 10/07/2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad > That's why so

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> That's why so many of us get the interview question, "How do you deal with a > difficult engineer?" I absolutely loathe that question. Not that it's difficult to answer, but it just sets the wrong tone for the company asking it. -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood

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ike to be the person the writers go to for information. --Lynn From: Bill Swallow To: Lynn Gold/Santa Clara/Contr/IBM at IBMUS Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" Date: 10/07/2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad > That'

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engineers want to, are motivated to, or would >> willingly cooperate with such "coaching". >> Nadine >> >> >> From: "Combs, Richard" >> To: Writer ; framers > lists.frameusers.com> >> Sent: Thursday, O

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worked with just want to do what they > are > >> told to do; they don't want to discuss it or describe it. > >> IMHO, this requirement is setting the tech writer up for failure. Just > >> because the company wants the engineers to communicate more effectively,

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> That's why so many of us get the interview question, "How do you deal with a > difficult engineer?" I absolutely loathe that question. Not that it's difficult to answer, but it just sets the wrong tone for the company asking it. -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood

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to be a great learning experience; I had the opportunity to work with some folks I might otherwise not have had the chance to. (And I found out I was a decent negotiator!) From: "Combs, Richard" To: Writer ; framers Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 6:52 AM Su

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PM To: Writer; framers Subject: RE: Scary responsibility in job ad Writer wrote: > A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad > for a technical writer: > > "coach engineers to improve their writing skills" > > It makes me laugh and cr

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That's why so many of us get the interview question, "How do you deal with a difficult engineer?" From: Chris Despopoulos To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" Date: 10/06/2011 11:03 AM Subject:Re: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad Sen

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On Behalf Of *Writer *Sent:* Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:51 PM *To:* framers *Subject:* OT: Scary responsibility in job ad A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad for a technical writer: "coach engineers to improve their writing skills" It makes me laug

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gt; > Nadine > > From: "Eichelberger, Mark" > To: framers > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:17:41 PM > Subject: RE: Scary responsibility in job ad > > I don’t think this should ever be the responsibility of a tech writer, but > it does indicate why they *need* a tec

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to communicate more effectively, it > doesn't mean that the engineers want to, are motivated to, or would > willingly cooperate with such "coaching". > > Nadine > > -- > *From:* "Combs, Richard" > *To:* Writer ; framers lists.f

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There's always beer involved. ;) But no, this was a full-on collaboration that I initiated with the engineering VP and the product architect. It took some convincing, but a few flow charts later and we were good to go. You have to cover all bases and have a contingency for everyone on all sides sho

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1 10:15 AM To: Writer Cc: framers Subject: Re: Scary responsibility in job ad Don't you see that this is a mirror argument? Let me rephrase what you're saying: > What I object to is putting the burden and responsibility on the engineer, > rather than where it belongs...on the wri

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Don't you see that this is a mirror argument? Let me rephrase what you're saying: > What I object to is putting the burden and responsibility on the engineer, > rather than where it belongs...on the writer. I've worked with very few > writers who wanted to improve their involvement in product de

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Agreed. I did this in a former role. We had a huge API/SDK that required documentation. It would have taken 20 tech writers to meet the target release date, as there were 40 engineers working non-stop on it world-wide. So instead we added to the definition of "code complete" a documentation item. E

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ked with just want to do what they > are > >> told to do; they don't want to discuss it or describe it. > >> IMHO, this requirement is setting the tech writer up for failure. Just > >> because the company wants the engineers to communicate more effectivel

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are motivated to, or would >> willingly cooperate with such "coaching". >> Nadine >> >> >> From: "Combs, Richard" >> To: Writer ; framers >> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 6:52:17 PM >> Subj

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icate more effectively, it > doesn't mean that the engineers want to, are motivated to, or would > willingly cooperate with such "coaching". > > Nadine > > -- > *From:* "Combs, Richard" > *To:* Writer ; framers > *Sent:

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There's always beer involved. ;) But no, this was a full-on collaboration that I initiated with the engineering VP and the product architect. It took some convincing, but a few flow charts later and we were good to go. You have to cover all bases and have a contingency for everyone on all sides sho

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0:15 AM To: Writer Cc: framers Subject: Re: Scary responsibility in job ad Don't you see that this is a mirror argument? Let me rephrase what you're saying: > What I object to is putting the burden and responsibility on the engineer, > rather than where it belongs...on the writer.

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Don't you see that this is a mirror argument? Let me rephrase what you're saying: > What I object to is putting the burden and responsibility on the engineer, > rather than where it belongs...on the writer. I've worked with very few > writers who wanted to improve their involvement in product de

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Agreed. I did this in a former role. We had a huge API/SDK that required documentation. It would have taken 20 tech writers to meet the target release date, as there were 40 engineers working non-stop on it world-wide. So instead we added to the definition of "code complete" a documentation item. E

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; framers >Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 6:52:17 PM >Subject: RE: Scary responsibility in job ad > >Writer wrote: > >> A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad >> for a technical writer: >> >> "coach engineers to improve th

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; framers >Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 6:52:17 PM >Subject: RE: Scary responsibility in job ad > >Writer wrote: > >> A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad >> for a technical writer: >> >> "coach engineers to improve th

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Technical Writing Coach...that's what they should have mentioned.   From: Steve Rickaby To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:59 PM Subject: Re: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad More depressing even that that are the con

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Technical Writing Coach...that's what they should have mentioned. ? From: Steve Rickaby To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:59 PM Subject: Re: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad More depressing even that that are the con

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to be a great learning experience; I had the opportunity to work with some folks I might otherwise not have had the chance to. (And I found out I was a decent negotiator!) From: "Combs, Richard" To: Writer ; framers Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 6:52 AM Su

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More depressing even that that are the contract posts where they say 'You write the manuals and then our engineers will maintain them.' -- Steve [an ex-engineer who's seen both sides of the fence]

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whose main job is the CEO's assistant. Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:51:16 -0700 From: generic...@yahoo.ca Subject: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad To: framers at lists.frameusers.com A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad for a technical writer: &quo

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:52 PM To: Writer; framers Subject: RE: Scary responsibility in job ad Writer wrote: > A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad > for a technical writer: > > "coach engineers to improve their writing skills" > > It makes me laugh and cr

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Writer wrote: > A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad > for a technical writer: > > "coach engineers to improve their writing skills" > > It makes me laugh and cringe in equal measures. I'm really surprised at the overwhelmingly negative reaction to this ad. C

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Writer wrote: > A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad > for a technical writer: > > "coach engineers to improve their writing skills" > > It makes me laugh and cringe in equal measures. I'm really surprised at the overwhelmingly negative reaction to this ad. Co

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I'm seeing some interest in this kind of thing from our local Agile Scrum Master. There aren't enough writers to go to all the scrums , so (the thinking goes) maybe the engineers could create some content, which the writers could edit. On 2011-10-06 12:51, Writer wrote: > A local company listed

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Might as well ask for "supervise monkeys on typewriters" From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:51 PM To: framers Subject: OT: Scary responsibil

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gt; > Nadine > > From: "Eichelberger, Mark" > To: framers > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:17:41 PM > Subject: RE: Scary responsibility in job ad > > I don?t think this should ever be the responsibility of a tech writer, but > it does indicate why they *need* a tec

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es at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:51 PM To: framers Subject: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad for a technical writer: "coach engineers to improve their writing skills" It mak

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at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Writer > *Sent:* Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:51 PM > *To:* framers > *Subject:* OT: Scary responsibility in job ad > > A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad > for a technical writer: > > "coach

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More depressing even that that are the contract posts where they say 'You write the manuals and then our engineers will maintain them.' -- Steve [an ex-engineer who's seen both sides of the fence] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch..

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I'm seeing some interest in this kind of thing from our local Agile Scrum Master. There aren't enough writers to go to all the scrums , so (the thinking goes) maybe the engineers could create some content, which the writers could edit. On 2011-10-06 12:51, Writer wrote: A local company listed

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That's why so many of us get the interview question, "How do you deal with a difficult engineer?" From: Chris Despopoulos To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" Date: 10/06/2011 11:03 AM Subject:Re: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad Sent by:

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The post was: A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad for a technical writer: "coach engineers to improve their writing skills" It makes me laugh and cringe in equal measures. My reply is: How often do you complain that engineers don't like to give you the informa

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The post was: A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad for a technical writer: "coach engineers to improve their writing skills" It makes me laugh and cringe in equal measures. My reply is: How often do you complain that engineers don't like to give you the informa

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Yeah, I've seen that job ad. I've had a couple of jobs in the past where coaching engineers on writing was one of the key responsibilities. In each of those jobs there was substantial confusion over whether the technical writing task was owned by the writers or by the engineers (and the writ

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:23 AM To: Eichelberger, Mark; framers Subject: Re: Scary responsibility in job ad Or if the company absolutely feels that the engineers need to learn to communicate better, put the onus on them

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Yeah, I've seen that job ad. I've had a couple of jobs in the past where coaching engineers on writing was one of the key responsibilities. In each of those jobs there was substantial confusion over whether the technical writing task was owned by the writers or by the engineers (and the writ

Scary responsibility in job ad

[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:23 AM To: Eichelberger, Mark; framers Subject: Re: Scary responsibility in job ad Or if the company absolutely feels that the engineers need to learn to communicate better, put the onus on them

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Shall I forward the ad to you? ;-) Nadine > >From: Greg. Eckrich >To: Writer >Cc: "Eichelberger, Mark" ; framers > >Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:34:45 PM >Subject: Re: Scary responsibility in job ad > > &

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Shall I forward the ad to you? ;-) Nadine > >From: Greg. Eckrich >To: Writer >Cc: "Eichelberger, Mark" ; framers at lists.frameusers.com> >Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:34:45 PM >Subject: Re: Scary responsibility in

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whose main job is the CEO's assistant. Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:51:16 -0700 From: generic...@yahoo.ca Subject: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad To: framers@lists.frameusers.com A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad for a technical writer: &quo

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soup for them! Nadine > >From: "Eichelberger, Mark" >To: framers >Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:17:41 PM >Subject: RE: Scary responsibility in job ad > > >I don’t think this should ever be the responsibility  of a tech

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soup for them! Nadine > >From: "Eichelberger, Mark" >To: framers >Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:17:41 PM >Subject: RE: Scary responsibility in job ad > > >I don?t think this should ever be the responsibility ?of a tech

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s.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:51 PM To: framers Subject: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad for a technical writer: "coach engineers to improve their writing skills" It mak

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Might as well ask for "supervise monkeys on typewriters" From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:51 PM To: framers Subject: OT: Scary responsibility

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A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad for a technical writer: "coach engineers to improve their writing skills" It makes me laugh and cringe in equal measures. Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ar

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