Or don't put text in your images. ;-)
We don't include text in our images for translation purposes.
Further to Mike's comment:
http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/internet/2002/jpg_gif_png.asp
Nadine
From: Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com
To:
Prime: alt + 0162
Double prime: alt + 0178
Is that what you mean?
Nadine
From: Linda Rose l...@qad.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:29:27 PM
Subject: Straight Apostrophe in Framemaker 9
Hi,
I am using Framemaker
prime) and inches (double prime). Perhaps you need a different character?
Nadine
From: Linda Rose l...@qad.com
To: Writer generic...@yahoo.ca
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:03:13 PM
Subject: Re
I don't really know anything about this product, but Jeff's comment made me
think of it: http://www.thirtysix.net/smartdocs/default.aspx
Nadine
From: Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Kristy, by structured, do you mean DITA? If so (and assuming your goal
is to make a book PDF or something similar), save your ditamap as a
FrameMaker book with FrameMaker components, and then add your front
matter, TOC, formatting, etc. Don't try to do your formatting or fancy
work in the DITA
Something I've done if the tables are not too complex in structure is:
In Word, convert the table to text.
Copy the data, and then paste it into FrameMaker.
In FrameMaker, select all of the data, and convert text to table.
Nadine
From: Andy Smith (WFL)
Good question. I'd like to know, too.
Nadine
From: jburgdor jburg...@cisco.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:14:41 PM
Subject: PDF comparison tool?
PDF comparison tool?
Colleaguesare looking for a tool for comparing
From my experiences, Meg, and from what other people have told me, FrameMaker
will create absolute paths when you work on a remote drive.
Is using source control software an option for you for sharing files with other
writers instead of posting files to your network?
Nadine
I think this is what you want (check out p. 499 of the FM User Guide PDF for more information):Nonbreaking space: \ (space)Thin space: \i, \st -- I assume you can use one or the other?NadineFrom: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com To:
"framers@lists.frameusers.com"
,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
On 2/25/2012 5:12 AM, Pat Christenson wrote:
Hi -
I have corrupt FrameMaker 10 file. The backup is also corrupt, as is the
offsite backup. None will open.
I've tried Open Heroic and Wash Via MIF. No luck.
I have a version that's 3 weeks old but I'd
Sorry, but changing the extension does *not* convert the file format. The .fm
file format is binary, while the .mif format contains only ASCII text. Merely
changing the filename extension will not covert binary to ASCII.
-Fred Ridder
Apology accepted.
Nadine
pages?
Thanks again.
Stephen Nelson
Technical Writer
Ambrell an Ameritherm Company
39 Main St.
Scottsville, NY 14546
snel...@ambrell.com
585.889.0288 (office)
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Case in point:
I was extremely disappointed with Adobe FrameMaker 9 Classroom in a Book. I
don't recommend
using this as a training resource as it just doesn't cut for both content
and/or process.
Well, if it's just straight up FM unstructured, I always recommend, even though
it was written
Documentation Lead position open in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. See:
http://www.workopolis.com/EN/job/13693448?OMAlert=Y
Nadine
xposted
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Yahoo HATT group
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the company and its products, and likely reduces calls for support.
And... the quick and dirty method only works for the current writer. It'd be
really hard for any other writer to maintain or change.
I agree with Art. I also add: Run, Ken, run! Before they completely suck your
soul out of you
On top of Art's comments, make sure that you understand what outputs you
need to create and how to create them from structured sources. In terms
of DITA, authoring is easy once you get the hang of it; however, you
need to figure out which tools allow you to create PDFs, online help,
mobile
If you only need to output to PDF, I don't think you need to do anything. I ran
a quick test with FM 9/Acrobat Pro 8, and Acrobat Pro automatically recognized
the text in the FM file as an email address (although, I can't find how to
prevent it from doing this). You might want to give the
I can't test this idea completely at the moment, but...
In Excel, save the file as HTM.
Open the HTM file in Word, and then save as DOC.
Copy or convert from DOC file.
Just a thought.
Nadine
From: Sharon Burton sha...@anthrobytes.com
To: 'FrameMaker Users
Try this:
When you go to File Print Book PDF Setup Links tab Make sure Create
Named Destinations for... is selected.
Nadine
From: Terri Schultz tjs_bad...@hotmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:16:21 AM
Subject:
Deidre:
I can't answer fully right now, but you can check out the ePublisher help on
the WebWorks Web site: www.webworks.com
You might also want to post ePublisher questions here:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwp-users/
Nadine
From: Deirdre Clancy
The problem is that creating a DITA project in FrameMaker is
really no different than doing that in any other XML authoring
tool. You do need to understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but
DITA is DITA regardless of the tool.
Agreed. What might be particular to FM is how to
://www.publishingsmarter.com/resources/books-and-articles/framemaker
Bernard did a good job with the course; I'm sure the book would be very handy
for someone learning DITA.
Nadine
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To: Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
knowledgeable than I am about FM 10 might have more to say about that.
Nadine
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framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc:
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:48:35 PM
Subject: RE: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10
Hmmm ... I may have been quite
Maybe that function is controlled by your IT department.NadineFrom: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:32:07 PM Subject: Reinstalling FM9 (WAS: Problems with PDF creation since Windows
Now was that so hard? ;-)
Maybe not hard, but somewhat obscure. Personally, I think the link label should
be Support, not Help. Especially since it links to the Support page.
Scott, I get your frustration. Not necessarily with the Adobe site because I
don't really use it, but certainly with
Oh, Rick! That must have come as a stunning revelation. I'm glad you didn't
ignore it and that you're getting it sorted out. I have no doubt that you will
be as right as rain in no time.
I look forward to your return when you're ready. I'm sure we all do. Hugs to
you.
The very best thoughts
Let me know if I can help answer any other questions. I'm happy to help.
Bill
Well, Bill, for starters you could write a Managing Translation for Dummies
book...
=D
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Well, Bill, for starters you could write a Managing Translation for Dummies
book...
=D
Nadine
Not as comprehensive as a Dummies book, but very helpful nonetheless:
http://www.llts.com/LearningCenter/guidebook.php
--
Stuart Rogers
Technical
Awesome! You should have it done in no time, then. *grin*
Nadine
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From: Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com
To: Writer generic...@yahoo.ca
Cc: Kelly Lawetz klaw...@genetec.com; Yvonne Mills yvonne.mi...@jdsu.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com framers
You may want to look at the Confluence wiki. I know that there is a DITA
Confluence tool (Dita2Wiki?) and WebWorks ePublisher will also convert FM to
Confluence. However, I don’t know if it’s possible to go the other way, or to
round-trip content between FM DITA and Confluence. According to
Does this help?
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2010-May/020148.html
Nadine
From: Karen Robbins karendes...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 7:30:26 PM
Subject: Text reflows when converting to PDF
Hi
Create a third, blank FM file with the correct variables set. Import the
variables from that template into each of the two other FM files so that they
are using the same variables.
Nadine
Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com 7/07/12 09:06
I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of
At http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker.html, you can also get an ePub version
and
other documents.
Cool!
Nadine
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I did something similar with a combination of FM and Adobe Acrobat 8. I
don't have the current version of Acrobat, so I'm not sure if the
settings are the same, but it will give you an idea.
In FM, create your content on 8.5 x 11 pages. The pagination will look linear.
Create a PDF of the FM
of old messages arrived this morning
T his morning, my FrameUsers folder contained 50 new messages, some
dating back to Aug. 1. I'm wondering if others have had the same experience,
or if it's something done to me by the mail system here.
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc
Keith, are you using conditional text? Way back, I used to get that message for
xrefs that were hidden in conditional text.
Nadine
I have a FrameMaker 10 book that is reporting several unresolved cross
references when I update the book. I’ve tried deleting them and replacing them
several
Greg, I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate.
;-)
N
Nothing like following the delivery of 50 old messages with 50 new messages
confirming that we received 50 old messages.
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hung up from the list for the last three weeks,
including many of Robert's posts like this one;
anybody know why?
Jeremy, see this thread:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2012-August/026449.html
Nadine
I haven't watched them, but Tom Aldous has e-seminars about conversion here:
http://tmaldous.com/2012/03/05/7-part-e-seminar-series-unstructured-to-xml-framemaker-10-instructional-series/
Nadine
I'm about to start a unstructured-to-structuredconversion project in either
Frame 9 or 10. Does
If you can, consider Yves' suggestion about using Mif2Go. If I recall
correctly, it's easier/faster than using conversion tables in FM.
Nadine
Hi all -
Thanks for the suggestions. Luckily, I don't have to build the template, EDD
and DTD. I just have to convert some unstructured files to
Mif2Go user documentation can be found in various formats here:
http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm#Mif2Go_UG
At a place where I used to work, I assigned a junior writer the task of
using Mif2Go to convert some of our smaller documents to DITA. She
figured it out fairly quickly.
For some
Good review Alan. It’s the first one I’ve seen that seems like the reviewer
actually used the program instead of just repeated a list of new features from
Adobe’s Reviewer’s Guide.
Yes, that was refreshing.
I am disappointed that they couldn’t clean up some of the longstanding issues
with
It's from 2007, but this thread might help:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2007-April/007323.html
Nadine
Missing Fonts message
I am sorry - fat-fingered the message. It's FM 10, not 7. (I am a little
flustered this morning as one of our email accounts has been hacked and I was
I have these notes that I made for a project I worked on a while back:
1. Import the image into FrameMaker. It will look like a grey box in
FrameMaker, so it will be tricky to adjust.
2. Select the image and set Fill to None using the tools palette.
I think I might have found that answer here:
, in the end, many tech writers make transparent graphic work. ;-)
Nadine
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framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc:
Sent
I for one think that my time is more valuable when I am writing, rather than
reformatting or performing work arounds that Word requires.
But then most of management under values what other people do.
*sigh*
So true...so true.
Laura, make sure you multiply the time it will take to get
As for editing images, even though I have CS 5, most of the time I use Paint
Shop Pro (≈$100). Obviously, I have simpler photographic needs than many other
people.
I prefer Paint Shop Pro, too. Photoshop is usually overkill for me. Maybe it's
because we're Canadian, Allison. =D
Nadine
Mario, see Jeremy's explanation here:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2012-September/026750.html
Nadine
Hi to all.
A customer of mine ask me to save a lot of FM 8 e FM 10 files, in MIF 8 format.
Because this is optimized for translation workflow.
I have FM 10 and I could save in
You set them up in the on the Bookmarks tab of the PDF Setup dialog box.
AFAIK, there are two ways to access this dialog box.
. File Print Book PDF Setup (make sure to select Generate Acrobat Data).
. Select the book file in the document manager, and go to Format Document
PDF Setup
Rick, do you mean what string of characters in the Language list is equal to
those languages?
Looking at Google Translate and Wikipedia, my guess would be:
Slovenian (Slovene) = slovenščina (FWIW, this is not the same as slovenčina,
which is Slovak)
Latvian/Lettish = latviešu
Serbian =
Doesn't RH have a mini-TOC option?
Nadine
Because of the way RH converts TOC and IX into other structures I don't expect
you'll have luck with the generated lists and ix's turning into files with
live links…I expect it has to do with the fundamental difference in generating
the documents
Carol, I'm not sure what the price is, but it's definitely worth checking into.
WebWorks will release version 2012.3 on 27 November and it is the first version
that supports FM 11, so your timing is very good.
If you have any other questions about ePublisher and want to chat about it off
of FrameMaker Utilities and Plugins, v4.0, now
available
On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:40:27 -0800 (PST), Writer
generic...@yahoo.ca wrote:
That's awesome, Lin. I don't see the link to the PDF
on the mif2go site. Do you have to log in to see it?
Soory about that! I had set it to public
Ça va, Stephen:
Even though you say you've worked for several years this way, I'm strongly
inclined to agree with Jeremy. From what I've heard over the years, users who
try to use FM over a network have run into trouble at some point.
Nadine
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From: Jeremy H.
6. Select the image inside the anchored frame, and delete it.
7. Select the anchored frame and do File Import File. Select
image2.png and shrinkwrap the frame.
Roger, I can have a look at it later with FM10, but what happens if you delete
the image element and reinsert and image element,
I highly recommend getting the newest version of WebWorks ePublisher. You would
have to rebuild your stationery.
Are you not breaking pages at headings? Do you have some other approach to page
breaks?
Nadine
I have a bunch of FrameMaker 7 files that
currently go through WebWorks 2003 to get
Congrats on the new job, John. Being the master of your own documentation is
pretty awesome, eh?
I would love to find some EDDs for basic DITA-compliant user manuals, and I'd
love some war stories about getting Structured, tales of heroism and tragedy,
etc. Please feel free to reply to me
T hanks Nadine!
Yes, the existing product documentation was authored in oxygen in India. I
don't have good access to those resources, but I have the DITA files. I have
to make them look presentable, and then improve the quality of the writing,
fill
in gaps, etc.
So I have no legacy FM
[By way of some background: We're in an odd spot where we're between
budgets AND about to shift to 'native' DITA using oXygen; so they're
trying hard not to invest further in Frame-specific products. But this
requirement for Help (in am month!) is gonna mean one last tool goes in
that box.]
Can't you output to CHM using oXygen?
Sure, in the same sense that you can create
a large Web site using only Notepad. ;-)
So...um...like...are you saying that I'm doin' it rong?
I'd say if someone has a looming deadline,
that is **not** the time to start learning
how to customize the
But surely somehow the para tags get mapped to elements for PDF output?
Forget about formatting while you author. Learn to separate creating content
from formatting.
When I publish a procedure to PDF, suppose I want the steps to have 0pt above,
6pt after, etc - the stuff I usually set up in
John, what version of FM are you using?
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Ready, shoot, aim!
Scriptorium's updating their book for FM11 but they're not done yet.
http://www.scriptorium.com/books/unstructured-framemaker-11/
The picture made me laugh.
Nadine
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I have had a similar problem in the past where the first page of the index
wouldn't format into columns, but anything past the first page would. In that
case, this is what I did:
On the body page of the first page of the index, hold the CTRL key down and
select the frame.
Right-click on the
Bill said:
Well, you say you have FM experience already, and that you do only a little
bit of help authoring. But, you'd need the Adobe Technical Communication suite
to get an interconnected seat of both FM and RH for any single-sourced help
authoring.
Only if you want to stick with a purely
Please let us not get sentimental about FrameMaker. I fervently hope a
better mousetrap will soon be here. I will be very glad to be rid of 2012,
ruined for me by TCS4 FrameMaker and its scammy advertorials.
Agreed, Rob. At there very least, there needs to be a contender.
Nadine
I'm a big advocate for WWeP but since they indicated they already use RH, the
TCS option was a best fit.
It's A fit. Not sure I'd say best.
Nadine
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want to update.
4) Under While Updating, Remove, select Other Format/Layout Overrides and
click Import.
HTH!
Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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Writer wrote:
FM also provides the ability to search for character/paragraph/table format
overrides in the Find/Change dialog box (that is, CTRL + F). Those options
are
at the bottom of the Find list.
Richard, do those tools provide something extra to the FM functionality
I'll give WebWorks ePublisher a try.
http://www.indoition.com/online-help-authoring-tools-survey.htm says
it costs $795 a year, does the license actually expire?
The subscription expires, but you can still use the software. You just don't
get the four upgrades/year or access to direct
I must correct myself. When you purchase a *perpetual* license, you can
continue to use ePublisher after your subscription is done.
I recommend that you contact WebWorks' sales department so that you can discuss
your particular needs with them.
Nadine
I'll give WebWorks ePublisher a try.
Buying a WWP license is expensive, especially on top of the cost of upgrading
to
TechCommSuite 4. But I've lost four entire days of income trying to
cooperate with Adobe Tech Support, not getting anywhere, and ultimately being
abandoned without so much as a sorry we can't help you we've
Flare has some advantages and I'd consider it for large projects where I
could start from scratch
Kieth, do you mean if you were authoring from within Flare? What are those
advantages?
Thanks,
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Nadine
Well, it's designed for content reuse, so sharing common content across
projects is easy. Since it's topic based, it's easy for more than one
writer to work on a project. It also has some very nice reporting and
tracking
features. If I was working on a large
You could try creating two separate templates (in FM files that are separate
from the book and separate from each other). One template file is 8.5 x 11, and
the other is A4. Both can contain all other attributes (paragraph styles,
character styles, colour definitions, etc). Apply the first
What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched from
Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle that?
The only thing I can think of is conditional text. But you can include your
condition settings in the template.
Nadine
I agree that Nadine’s suggestion of two templates is probably best if you have
time to work through each document every time you change to check that there
aren’t any unfortunate page breaks. Sensible use of “keep with next” instead
of hard “top of page” settings can help of course.
Yes,
I know printed copies from PDFs are almost quaint these days snip
Call me a Luddite, but I don't agree. This article is a bit old, but I think it
still holds true:
http://www.booklistonline.com/The-Manley-Arts-The-Cockroach-Will-Manley/pid=5390998
Nadine
Thanks for the link, Alan. I knew that people in Australia and NZ got charged
way more for music. I forgot about the software thing. Hurray for Australia for
being proactive about the issue. We see a similar thing here in Canada,
especially with the price of books.
Nadine
I think we're constantly looking at what's the best way to deliver value to
our customers ...
And then for his next act, Mr. Narayen ran for Parliament.
Nadine
From: Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Friday,
Hi, Steve:
I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but WebWorks ePublisher has Book ePub
2.0 output (you can see a sample of the output here:
http://www.webworks.com/Tour/Output_Formats/) and PDF output. You can generate
both outputs at the same time.
Nadine
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I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your
sentiments/fears exactly, Steve.
Nadine
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:37:59 PM
Subject: OT:
I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with
me? Anyone? Anyone?
*crickets chirp*
=D
Nadine
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From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:24:36 PM
Subject: FW:
This is why I'm uncomfortable with suites of software. Especially ones that are
so interdependent. I don't like having all my eggs in one basket.
Nadine
PS: Z, you seem to be good with numbers. How much are we going to need to raise
to create an FM competitor?
Almost everyone keeps ignoring
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Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Received: Saturday, May 11, 2013, 8:54 PM
On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700
(PDT), Writer
generic
Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on
capitalism vs free market.
*figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative
grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery*
Nadine
Nadine -
Nadine, I certainly
I appreciate everyone's feedback, but plans to build a
competitive product and business plans for a competitive product may be a bit
premature. ;-)
I strongly disagree. I think it's been a long time coming. I want more choices.
I want to be able to see the text in the index dialog box.
An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the
plug-ins that people are willing to pay for.
Good point.
Nadine
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I'm surprised that you can't get your data to export to Word. According to this
article, it should work:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access-help/export-access-data-to-a-word-document-HA010341683.aspx
Alternatively, if you can get HTML out of Access, what about opening it up in
Word? I
Heather, you don't say what version of FM you're using, and I'm not totally
clear what you are doing, but I'll throw this out there...
You want to change the default alignment of images, right?
Did you actually change the default setting in the EDD? If so, did you then
import the new EDD
Huh? Did we miss something?
*blink*
Nadine
I really had a good time last evening and I just wanted to say thank you again
for the thoughtful gifts. I just hope you weren't all bored to tears by the
Doctor Who episode, which probably gave David Tennant the least screen time of
any episode
And unless you're very clever, it's easy to paint yourself into a corner with
an in-house system. It might be simple to develop something for what your
needs are now, but you neglect to make it open-ended or scalable for whatever
changes you need to make in the future.
And then there's
Agreed. That has been my go to book since I started using DITA.
Nadine
This is a really good book for getting experience in using DITA 1.2. I found
that the sample application that is developed was very straightforward to
implement in FrameMaker. It won't teach you everything you need to know
Subject: Re: DITA/docbook vs your own schema
Unfortunately, that book cannot be sold internationally by Amazon. :(
Alan
On 10/07/13 2:19 PM, Writer wrote:
Agreed. That has been my go to book since I started using DITA.
Nadine
This is a really good book for getting experience in using
And on the other side of the fence...
I find it an interesting discussion. And I prefer to have it on this list since
I don't participate in many other lists.
Sorry, Matt, my vote is for keep it online.
Nadine
Bandwidth is measured also by the number of emails one can reasonably read
(and
This is from memory, but I think that FM treats conrefs as conditional text.
Look at the conditional text values in the template file.
Nadine
A reference to an old TV commercial for powdered cleanser. You shake out
white powder and it turns blue when it gets wet. Conclusion? This is the
It's kind of surreal.
Nadine
From: Alan Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:24:42 PM
Subject: Re: Proof reading the Adobe FrameMaker 11 'documentation'?
haha, I like that.
On 16/08/13 10:05 PM,
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