on, 2/13/12, John Matturri //* wrote:
From: John Matturri
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Andy Warhol's SLEEP / Providence, RI /
Feb 18 / Magic Lantern + RK Projects
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List"
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 11:24 AM
Not i
inted film projected at 24fps.
Steve Polta
--- On Mon, 2/13/12, John Matturri wrote:
From: John Matturri
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Andy Warhol's SLEEP / Providence, RI / Feb 18 / Magic
Lantern + RK Projects
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List"
Date: Monday, February 13,
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Still not sure which book I saw the story, but I did find this, so
the discrediting was in print:
Pittsburg Post Gazette, Weekend Mag, Friday, February 6, 1998
Legend has it that Brakhage was watching Warhol’s “Sleep” (which
consists of a sleeping person) and hated it. Someone in the room
s.com
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Andy Warhol's SLEEP / Providence, RI / Feb 18 / Magic
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Only you can answer that...
On 2/13/12 10:35
1:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Andy Warhol's SLEEP / Providence, RI / Feb 18 / Magic
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Only you can answer that...
On 2/13/12 10:35 AM, "Myron Ort" wrote:
> In which of the many books scattered around my house d
Only you can answer that...
On 2/13/12 10:35 AM, "Myron Ort" wrote:
> In which of the many books scattered around my house did I surely
> encounter that story?
>
> Myron Ort
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Eric Theise wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Myron Ort wrote:
>>> H
In which of the many books scattered around my house did I surely
encounter that story?
Myron Ort
On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Eric Theise wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Myron Ort wrote:
>> How and why do stories like that get started anyway?
>
> That particular story got starte
rameworks] Andy Warhol's SLEEP / Providence, RI / Feb 18 / Magic
Lantern + RK Projects
huh, guess I missed that yesterday when I was hurrying out of the house.
How and why do stories like that get started anyway?
On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Fred Camper wrote:
> Quoting Myron O
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Myron Ort wrote:
> How and why do stories like that get started anyway?
That particular story got started because Jonas Mekas told it. It
continues to be told because it's a good story, and it's lodged in the
collective memory due to the problematic but always c
Fred,
Is that erroneous story actually in print somewhere? I think that may
be how and why I even knew of it, and is this discrediting of the
story also in print somewhere? Probably should be.
Myron Ort
On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Fred Camper wrote:
> Quoting Myron Ort :
>
>> ok, I see t
huh, guess I missed that yesterday when I was hurrying out of the house.
How and why do stories like that get started anyway?
On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Fred Camper wrote:
> Quoting Myron Ort :
>
>> ok, I see the problem about the projectors. Guess I am a bit out of
>> touch about that situa
Quoting Myron Ort :
> ok, I see the problem about the projectors. Guess I am a bit out of
> touch about that situation these days.
>
> I guess I was thinking of that story about Stan Brakhage who
> apparently did not at all like the film at 24fps, but when he saw it
> over again at silent speed {
ok, I see the problem about the projectors. Guess I am a bit out of
touch about that situation these days.
I guess I was thinking of that story about Stan Brakhage who
apparently did not at all like the film at 24fps, but when he saw it
over again at silent speed {presumably 16fps (?) } it
> But if one is going to the trouble of presenting actual film, why not round
> up a couple of the correct projectors
Easier said than done. If you're screening with dual projectors for reel
changes, they ought to have the same brightness and CT lamps and the same focal
length lenses, no? The
reening was (an excerpt of) La Monte Young's
"The Well-Tuned Piano," which was slowly faded up as the film concluded as a
gentle way to wake those who had fallen asleep.
Steve Polta
--- On Sun, 2/12/12, Myron Ort wrote:
From: Myron Ort
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Andy Warhol
I only mentioned Youtube because it is standard fare there for
misinformed folks to put all kinds of soundtracks on say Dog Star Man.
Not saying there is any comparison between the quality of the visuals.
But if one is going to the trouble of presenting actual film, why
cater to the Youtube
what part of LOL do you not
On Feb 12, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Damon wrote:
While this presentation of Sleep certainly differs from the
original screenings of the film, it is also far from a Youtube
hommage. Vexations played an important role in Warhol's conception
of the film, and he
While this presentation of Sleep certainly differs from the original
screenings of the film, it is also far from a Youtube hommage.
Vexations played an important role in Warhol's conception of the
film, and he took from Satie a working method making possible the
editing of his short reels
So 18fps plus sound. Not so much an homage to Warhol as an homage to
Youtube! LOL. At least with Youtube you can turn off the sound. No
sets of ear plugs can do that as completely, and sometimes the bass
from the speakers hits you in the gut anyway and creates a whole
other unwanted exp
/sleep.html)
Very sorry for the confusion the write-up should have specified this.
Best,
Josh
From: Myron Ort
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Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Andy Warhol's SLEEP / Providence, RI / F
With older 16mm projectors, such as Bell & Howell and Pageant, the
"silent" switch meant 16fps. Not sure why some newer ones did 18fps
instead. Super-8 offered 18 and 24 though; maybe it was to be
consistent with that?
I agree with Steve that playing Satie during "Sleep" sounds like a
mist
I always thought that the dual speed 16mm projectors were 24fps and
16fps. 18fps was a speed on the Super 8 projectors and dual 8/S8
projectors. Was sound speed for S8/reg.8mm also 24fps? I think it
was, but not sure now.
I am quite sure that silent speed was 16 fps back when, at least that
LEEP (even sped up at 18fps) is indeed a masterpiece, one of
the most profound viewing experiences of my life. To be honest, I worry that
the Satie would be a distraction but I wish you luck with the event...!
Steve Polta
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Andy Warhol's SLEEP / Providence, RI / Feb 18 / Magic
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> Never mind. It looks like they are projecting at 16fps.
> excellent.
Actually, they're projecting it at 18fps. They have an Eiki with
> Never mind. It looks like they are projecting at 16fps.
> excellent.
Actually, they're projecting it at 18fps. They have an Eiki with a silent speed
pulley, which runs at 18fps, and they're borrowing my Pageant 250S for the
second projector, which also has a silent speed of 18fps. (I've check
Never mind. It looks like they are projecting at 16fps.
excellent.
mo
On Feb 12, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Josh Guilford wrote:
R.K. Projects + Magic Lantern Cinema Present
a very special screening of:
SLEEP
by Andy Warhol
featuring John Giorno
5.5hr long-form cinema proj
I hope they know to project this film at silent speed. Otherwise the
film makes no sense.
Myron Ort
On Feb 12, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Josh Guilford wrote:
R.K. Projects + Magic Lantern Cinema Present
a very special screening of:
SLEEP
by Andy Warhol
featuring John
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