Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Luoqi Chen writes: This discussion is not going anywhere. Why can't everyone calm down and find a comprise? Here's my proposal: 1. leave the the code and config option in the source tree for now 2. remove all traces of wd in documentation/GENERIC/LINT/MAKEDEV that

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Julian Elischer
I think there has been enough objections to the idea of just removing wd.c for it to stay for a few months. It doesn't hurt to keep it. Especially if it's not on by default. I think this argument can go away for a while. On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Brad Knowles
At 3:05 PM -0700 1999/12/10, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: I agree that the CAM integration shouldn't be used as a precedent here. I don't agree with your characterization of it as a "debacle", though. On the whole, we gained a whole lot and lost very little. Long-term, yes I believe

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Greg Childers
At 11:22 PM 12/10/99 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: This discussion is not going anywhere. Why can't everyone calm down and find a comprise? Here's my proposal: 1. leave the the code and config option in the source tree for now 2. remove all traces of wd in

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Listen guys, this is a tempest in a tea-cup, we are not loosing any functionality here, we are gaining functionality. Poul-Henning, what I'm seeing here is a LOT of voices raised against this idea, both from key developers and other citizens of

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
Brad Knowles wrote... At 3:05 PM -0700 1999/12/10, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: I agree that the CAM integration shouldn't be used as a precedent here. I don't agree with your characterization of it as a "debacle", though. On the whole, we gained a whole lot and lost very little.

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Julian Elischer
On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: This fails the most important criteria for the transistion to ATA: it doesn't break existing kernel configs. Listen guys, this is a tempest in a tea-cup, we are not loosing any functionality here, we are gaining functionality. The wd

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kris Ken naway writes: No-one (as far as I can see) is objecting to making ata the default (which it already is), and to kill wd in some number of weeks. Why can't you just do that, and put and end to this discussion happily? Will a few weeks really harm the

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Darryl Okahata
Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once we have established that the new driver doesn't leave a large number of people stranded it will be killed for good. I think this is a key issue, if not *THE* key issue. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but PHK and others are basically

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : You overlook one simple thing here: If we want the ata driver tested, : we need to make existing kernel configs break, otherwise people : will not change them to use ata. We know this from bitter experience. If all you are talking about

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Mike Smith
If half as much energy was spent adding the missing bits of functionality to the new systems as people have been spending complaining it then we'd be there ages ago. Not true. It doesn't take a disk expert to complain about a policy, but it takes one to fix bugs/add features to the

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Stephen McKay
On Friday, 10th December 1999, "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: Brad Knowles wrote... At 3:05 PM -0700 1999/12/10, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: I agree that the CAM integration shouldn't be used as a precedent here. I don't agree with your characterization of it as a "debacle", though. On the

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
We've been telling people for a long time that the wd driver would remain around even after ata went golden to support the ESDI systems still in service. That sounds like it is changing now. Real support for ESDI died with bad144... Error free ESDI disks are very rare, even the best in my

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
Stephen McKay wrote... On Friday, 10th December 1999, "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: Brad Knowles wrote... At 3:05 PM -0700 1999/12/10, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: I agree that the CAM integration shouldn't be used as a precedent here. I don't agree with your characterization of it as a

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Julian Elischer
On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: And as for the device renaming, you didn't have to change anything from sd-da. The old device names and nodes were supported in most every way. There were a lot of mis-informed people on the lists who claimed that you had to change your device

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Mike Smith
And as for the device renaming, you didn't have to change anything from sd-da. The old device names and nodes were supported in most every way. There were a lot of mis-informed people on the lists who claimed that you had to change your device names. That was completely untrue, and I

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Mike Smith
On Friday, 10th December 1999, Mike Smith wrote: The same mentality that made the CAM cutover a "debacle" is making the ata cutover a "debacle". This "mentality" might be an unavoidable part of human nature. I found That was my musing in the next paragraph. my first reaction was

Audio support [was Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!]

1999-12-10 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
The same thing is about to apply to the woxware sound code, we have a new shiny system that works and is much better designed... Actually, I'm sad to say that our shiny new sound system does *not* work for some of the most popular audio chipsets on the market today (where the older "luigi"

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
Mike Smith wrote... And as for the device renaming, you didn't have to change anything from sd-da. The old device names and nodes were supported in most every way. There were a lot of mis-informed people on the lists who claimed that you had to change your device names. That was

Reasonable decision-making [Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!]

1999-12-10 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
The ATA driver went golden now, and to make sure nobody is distracted from testing it before 4.0-RELEASE is cut, the wd driver will be removed. It's really that simple. Well, I'm not sure that's really true yet and I would honestly prefer it if you wouldn't make "conclusive statements"

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Mike Smith
Except that ATA currently does not work on my system. So I assume I'm not the only one. Actually, to quote from your original message: ] According to technical product summary, the primary IDE interface, on ] which both my drives reside, is a PCTech RZ1000 on the PCI local bus. Nobody in

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Warner Losh writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : You overlook one simple thing here: If we want the ata driver tested, : we need to make existing kernel configs break, otherwise people : will not change them to use ata. We know this from

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Blaz Zupan wrote: On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Christopher Masto wrote: I fully agree that these things are neccessary and good. I just think we need avoid jumping the gun on removing the old code, when some people still need it to boot their machines. Actually I completely disagree.

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Julian Elischer wrote: please do not remove it.. just make it non-default. Retire it to LINT if you must, but I'd also like to see it around until the last release on RELENG_3. -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) who is as social as a wampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On 8 Dec, Soren Schmidt wrote: Søren: I didn´t want to flame you, I only want to convince Paul-Henning to wait until you have time to fix those bugs. Welcome to the real world, I've promised to look at this and I will, but a day has only so many hours. I asumed this, and because of this

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Thomas David Rivers
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julian Elischer writes: : more importantly we lost the aha driver for a while. No we didn't. Well, the aha driver did loose support for the 1542A cards, but the aha driver was done so that cam could be committed to the tree. Maybe you are confusing things

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Daniel Eischen
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christopher Masto writes: : Right now, I have no sound (not detected), no USB (panic on removal), : can't use my sio pccard, can't eject my ed pccard, my IDE drives are : taking hours to dump and fsck, and my TV card is missing every other : line if I try to use

Fallback paths (was: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 8 December 1999 at 21:00:36 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kris Ken naway writes: On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Update your /etc/fstab (use /dev/ad* instead of /dev/wd* or /dev/rwd* Can't we keep the same device

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 8 December 1999 at 20:23:24 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: At 10:56 AM -0800 1999/12/8, Mike Smith wrote: The right attitude to be taking now is "here is where the ata drivers still fall down" or "here are patches to them to replace this functionality". Think about the

Continuity (was: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 8 December 1999 at 12:52:37 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 10:56:24AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: You shouldn't remove a function until it has been properly replaced. A very simple concept some people seem to have trouble grasping. Actually, that's not at all

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 8 December 1999 at 15:23:49 -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: [snip] We gained quite a bit from it, but let's not rewrite history. I remember quite clearly that there was a very popular Adaptec SCSI controller missing when the switch to CAM was made, and a lot of [snip]

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 8 December 1999 at 17:09:39 +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: It seems Alexander Leidinger wrote: It isn´t only a matter of providing feedback... the maintainer also has to work on it. Yeah, right... I offered feedback in every mail regarding my problem with ata msdos-ZIPs

Progress or procedure? (was: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 8 December 1999 at 22:31:22 +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: It seems Christopher Masto wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 10:56:24AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: You shouldn't remove a function until it has been properly replaced. A very simple concept some people seem to have trouble

Breaking DMA support for multiple chipsets? (was: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 8 December 1999 at 15:02:37 +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: It seems Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 12:55:35PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In a few days time the wd driver will be retired from FreeBSDs i386 architecture. Since the ata driver does not

pccard sio problems (Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-09 Thread D. Rock
Zitiere Daniel Eischen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christopher Masto writes: : Right now, I have no sound (not detected), no USB (panic on removal), : can\\\'t use my sio pccard, can\\\'t eject my ed pccard, my IDE drives are : taking

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On 9 Dec, Maxim Sobolev wrote: Excuse me for possible off-topic, but I have what is seems for me fresh idea about this question. Why do not remove from wd driver support for chipsets already implemented/tested in ata driver? Thus both clans would satisfied i.e. users with unsupported by ata

Re: Breaking DMA support for multiple chipsets? (was: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-09 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Greg Lehey wrote: OK, you asked for it, following is a patch to support the sis 5591 chipset. Remember this is done blindfolded, I have no HW to test on, but you guys do :) Let me know what happens... OK. Let's defer removing wd until we know that ata DMA works on these

Re: Fallback paths (was: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Lehey writes: The fallback path is not eliminated, and may never be, but it may become rather uncomfortable to linger on it longer than you absolutely need to. Would you care to expand on that statement? Apart from the fsck/root/reload issue (for which

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Maxim Sobolev
Alexander Leidinger wrote: On 9 Dec, Maxim Sobolev wrote: Excuse me for possible off-topic, but I have what is seems for me fresh idea about this question. Why do not remove from wd driver support for chipsets already implemented/tested in ata driver? Thus both clans would satisfied

Re: Breaking DMA support for multiple chipsets? (was: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-09 Thread Richard Seaman Jr.
On Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 04:03:58PM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: It seems Greg Lehey wrote: OK, you asked for it, following is a patch to support the sis 5591 chipset. Remember this is done blindfolded, I have no HW to test on, but you guys do :) Let me know what happens... OK.

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Maxim Sobolev wrote: There also exist cases where the chipset is supported but a particular functionality isn_t supported yet (in my case it_s the possibility to access MS-DOS formated ZIP-disks, harddisk access works well, and I_m not the only one with this problem (not counting

Re: Breaking DMA support for multiple chipsets? (was: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-09 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Richard Seaman Jr. wrote: It already being tested, and it works, but at the same tike I found out that the code in the old driver for the sis is schizofrenic, it has one way of setting things up, and another way of reporting how it is set :(, that way it is difficult to

Re: Breaking DMA support for multiple chipsets? (was: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-09 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Greg Lehey wrote: I think the old wd code was broken on reporting. The reporting was changed from the original submission, when it was committed. Yep, but it does mean that people _belive_ they are running UDMA where in fact they aren't, and now they blaim the ata driver

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
[snip] Again, this is not accurate. I have a laptop with which, two months ago, I could use my LinkSys ethernet card, and I could use my digital then we need to get your LinkSys ethernet card support fixed. i am using one to write this message. mine is a LinkSys 10/100 PCMCIA

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
What version of -CURRENT are you using? Mine is a PCMPC200, and I haven't been able to get it to work for 6 weeks. PCMPC100 LinkSys PCMCIA 10/100 jmb Greg, yours is a card bus card. it is not supported at this time. i have one right next to me with the label melted.

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Somers writes: : The aha driver broke somewhere between the 5th and 8th of this month. : Boot -v says ``aha0: status reg test failed ff''. Odd.. What kind of card do you have? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wilko Bulte writes: : Not quite true: the esp driver for the alphas got lost. No attack on anyone, : just stating a fact. As did the sea and uha drivers. I had a fantacy that I'd have time to write one. However, I didn't... :-( Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas David Rivers writes: : I lost support on my 1542B until I came up with a patch, which : I believe was incorporated into 3.3-R. Yes. I stand corrected. The B that I had worked w/o the patch, but many B's in the field didn't :-(. Warner To Unsubscribe:

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
-On [19991209 06:59], Warner Losh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : P.S. I'm not trying to cut down Warner, but I do think we really need to : focus on regaining support for things we've lost in the past 6 months. I agree with this completely. The newbus excursion of the old code likely was a big

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
-On [19991209 12:00], Wilko Bulte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: As Mike Smith wrote ... On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 10:56:24AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: [there] were the SCSI drivers lost to CAM Actually, most of this is histrionics. CAM didn't lose us SCSI drivers; Not quite true: the esp

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
-On [19991209 16:03], Greg Lehey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wednesday, 8 December 1999 at 20:23:24 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: This is -CURRENT. It pains me to say it, but anyone trying to run anything "useful" on -CURRENT gets what they deserve. This is the only place where we can

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
-On [19991209 00:03], Bill Fumerola ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Soren Schmidt wrote: The same thing is about to apply to the woxware sound code, we have a new shiny system that works and is much better designed... For some definitions of "works". Low shot. If not for

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: For some definitions of "works". Low shot. If not for Cameron and Sanimura-san we would still be left dangling with the hopeless kludge of pcm vs VoxWare. They finally put their effort into something which all questions plus remarks on

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Mike Smith
On 9 Dec, Maxim Sobolev wrote: Excuse me for possible off-topic, but I have what is seems for me fresh idea about this question. Why do not remove from wd driver support for chipsets already implemented/tested in ata driver? Thus both clans would satisfied i.e. users with unsupported

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Mike Smith
I'm completely at a loss as to how the ata driver could be responsible for your inability to read these disks. I don't have a copy of your original problem report to hand, but since I have all the hardware here I'd appreciate it if you could be a little more explicit about your

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote ... -On [19991209 12:00], Wilko Bulte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: As Mike Smith wrote ... On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 10:56:24AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: [there] were the SCSI drivers lost to CAM Actually, most of this is histrionics. CAM didn't lose us

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Warner Losh wrote ... In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Somers writes: : The aha driver broke somewhere between the 5th and 8th of this month. : Boot -v says ``aha0: status reg test failed ff''. Odd.. What kind of card do you have? Does it make a difference if you run boot without -v

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Brian Somers
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Somers writes: : The aha driver broke somewhere between the 5th and 8th of this month. : Boot -v says ``aha0: status reg test failed ff''. Odd.. What kind of card do you have? aha0 at port 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 7 on isa0 aha0: AHA-1542CP FW Rev. D.0

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Brian Somers
As Warner Losh wrote ... In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Somers writes: : The aha driver broke somewhere between the 5th and 8th of this month. : Boot -v says ``aha0: status reg test failed ff''. Odd.. What kind of card do you have? Does it make a difference if you run boot

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-09 Thread Brian Fundakowski Feldman
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Soren Schmidt wrote: It seems Julian Elischer wrote: please do not remove it.. And why is that ?? There is no point in having done a new one then, and you guys have known I've been working on this for ages so this cannot come as a surprise to anybody... The same

HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In a few days time the wd driver will be retired from FreeBSDs i386 architecture. Users, please: Update your kernel config file (see GENERIC) Update your /etc/fstab (use /dev/ad* instead of /dev/wd* or /dev/rwd* Copy MAKEDEV from src/etc/MAKEDEV to

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Richard Seaman, Jr.
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 12:55:35PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In a few days time the wd driver will be retired from FreeBSDs i386 architecture. Since the ata driver does not support DMA on my chipset, at least the last time I tried (SiS 5591), it would be nice to leave the wd driver

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 12:55:35 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In a few days time the wd driver will be retired from FreeBSDs i386 architecture. I know there are issues that make it awkward to support both drivers, but it's probably a good idea to keep the wd driver available for those who

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 07:27:28AM -0600, "Richard Seaman, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a few days time the wd driver will be retired from FreeBSDs i386 architecture. Since the ata driver does not support DMA on my chipset, at least the last time I tried (SiS 5591), it would be nice

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 12:55:35PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In a few days time the wd driver will be retired from FreeBSDs i386 architecture. Since the ata driver does not support DMA on my chipset, at least the last time I tried (SiS

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On 8 Dec, Sheldon Hearn wrote: In a few days time the wd driver will be retired from FreeBSDs i386 architecture. I know there are issues that make it awkward to support both drivers, but it's probably a good idea to keep the wd driver available for those who need it, even if it requires

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Alexander Leidinger wrote: It isn´t only a matter of providing feedback... the maintainer also has to work on it. Yeah, right... I offered feedback in every mail regarding my problem with ata msdos-ZIPs (they aren´t accessible), but most of the time I havn´t got a reply (Søren

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Julian Elischer
please do not remove it.. just make it non-default. On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In a few days time the wd driver will be retired from FreeBSDs i386 architecture. Users, please: Update your kernel config file (see GENERIC) Update your /etc/fstab (use

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Julian Elischer
while you're about it the cyrix GXM? On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Soren Schmidt wrote: It seems Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 12:55:35PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In a few days time the wd driver will be retired from FreeBSDs i386 architecture. Since the

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Julian Elischer
because it doesn't support the chipsets that the old one does. (namely the 200 or so lines of support in pci_ide.c needed for the Cyrix GXM series). You shouldn't remove a function until it has been properly replaced. A very simple concept some people seem to have trouble grasping. On Wed, 8

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Julian Elischer
there is plenty of code in the original that does ALL you need, and I can test it. On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Soren Schmidt wrote: It seems Julian Elischer wrote: while you're about it the cyrix GXM? Docs? HW? tester? in that order -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Mike Smith
because it doesn't support the chipsets that the old one does. (namely the 200 or so lines of support in pci_ide.c needed for the Cyrix GXM series). You shouldn't remove a function until it has been properly replaced. A very simple concept some people seem to have trouble grasping.

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Update your /etc/fstab (use /dev/ad* instead of /dev/wd* or /dev/rwd* Can't we keep the same device names? I thought that was the original plan way back when, once the new driver was ready for prime-time. Also, perhaps we

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Steven E. Ames
PROTECTED] To: Julian Elischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 1:56 PM Subject: Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! because it doesn't support the chipsets that the old one does. (namely the 200 or so lines of support in pci_ide.c needed

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jul ian Elischer writes: Someone replacing a module and deleting th eoriginal should make a decent effort to cover all the present functionality. (OR make a decision that such functionality will never be covered, (e.g. bad144)). Just breaking things because you felt

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Christopher Masto
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 10:56:24AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: You shouldn't remove a function until it has been properly replaced. A very simple concept some people seem to have trouble grasping. Actually, that's not at all correct. We've demonstrated a number of times now that you reach

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Mike Smith
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 10:56:24AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: You shouldn't remove a function until it has been properly replaced. A very simple concept some people seem to have trouble grasping. Actually, that's not at all correct. We've demonstrated a number of times now that you

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Soren Schmidt wrote: The same thing is about to apply to the woxware sound code, we have a new shiny system that works and is much better designed... For some definitions of "works". -- - bill fumerola - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Christopher Masto
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 10:31:22PM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: Hmm, well, if you want support for any of the new ata-66 controllers you have to use the ata driver, so you loose some you win some. Given that my patch for the SiS works and a patch I got from Luoqi, the ONLY support you are

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Christopher Masto
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 12:52:37PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: Unfortunately, FreeBSD has far too many examples of a working system being replaced with a less functional system. Just off the top of my head, there were the SCSI drivers lost to CAM, the PCCARD system, sound drivers, and now

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 12:52:37PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: We haven't "lost" the pccard system at all I've lost the ability to use a 3c574 10/100 card (panics), the Xircom `xe' card (will not attach), the `ep' driver now has ultra shitty performance (132.05 KB/sec) where it seems to only be

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
[snip] We gained quite a bit from it, but let's not rewrite history. I remember quite clearly that there was a very popular Adaptec SCSI controller missing when the switch to CAM was made, and a lot of [snip] we lost teh aic controller at that time. [snip] Again, this is

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Julian Elischer
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: [snip] We gained quite a bit from it, but let's not rewrite history. I remember quite clearly that there was a very popular Adaptec SCSI controller missing when the switch to CAM was made, and a lot of [snip] more importantly

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
Julian Elischer wrote... On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: [snip] We gained quite a bit from it, but let's not rewrite history. I remember quite clearly that there was a very popular Adaptec SCSI controller missing when the switch to CAM was made, and a lot of

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Brian Somers
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: [snip] We gained quite a bit from it, but let's not rewrite history. I remember quite clearly that there was a very popular Adaptec SCSI controller missing when the switch to CAM was made, and a lot of [snip] more

SiS ata Driver (was Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-08 Thread Richard Seaman, Jr.
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 03:02:37PM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: OK, you asked for it, following is a patch to support the sis 5591 chipset. Remember this is done blindfolded, I have no HW to test on, but you guys do :) Seems to work. I'll let it run for a few days, but I'd guess it is

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, David O'Brien wrote: I've lost the ability to use a 3c574 10/100 card (panics), the Xircom `xe' card (will not attach), the `ep' driver now has ultra shitty performance (132.05 KB/sec) where it seems to only be working due to the watch dog timer. I'll take the blame for

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Blaz Zupan
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Christopher Masto wrote: I fully agree that these things are neccessary and good. I just think we need avoid jumping the gun on removing the old code, when some people still need it to boot their machines. Actually I completely disagree. When you leave in old code in the

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : In a few days time the wd driver will be retired from FreeBSDs : i386 architecture. Isn't this a bit premature? It was my understanding that it would live through the 4.x release and then die. The ata driver was just made the default a

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Smith writes: : This is a good time for this particular cutover. A little more public : announcement would perhaps have been nice, but that's probably asking : more of our axe-wielding friends than we're ever going to get. I'd agree more with this if the ata

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christopher Masto writes: : Right now, I have no sound (not detected), no USB (panic on removal), : can't use my sio pccard, can't eject my ed pccard, my IDE drives are : taking hours to dump and fsck, and my TV card is missing every other : line if I try to use the

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Warner Losh
: P.S. I'm not trying to cut down Warner, but I do think we really need to : focus on regaining support for things we've lost in the past 6 months. I agree with this completely. The newbus excursion of the old code likely was a big mistake. We have a basically working system now, but I've not

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julian Elischer writes: : more importantly we lost the aha driver for a while. No we didn't. Well, the aha driver did loose support for the 1542A cards, but the aha driver was done so that cam could be committed to the tree. Maybe you are confusing things with the

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Christopher Masto
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 10:52:42PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christopher Masto writes: : Right now, I have no sound (not detected), no USB (panic on removal), : can't use my sio pccard, can't eject my ed pccard, my IDE drives are : taking hours to dump and fsck,

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Warner Losh
: still alive on Sunday, I'll be able to confirm whether the problem : is still present and if so, try to fix it. That would be great! Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Brian Somers
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julian Elischer writes: : more importantly we lost the aha driver for a while. No we didn't. Well, the aha driver did loose support for the 1542A cards, but the aha driver was done so that cam could be committed to the tree. Maybe you are confusing things

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Mike Smith wrote ... On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 10:56:24AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: Unfortunately, FreeBSD has far too many examples of a working system being replaced with a less functional system. Just off the top of my head, there were the SCSI drivers lost to CAM, the PCCARD system,

Re: SiS ata Driver (was Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!)

1999-12-08 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 03:02:37PM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: OK, you asked for it, following is a patch to support the sis 5591 chipset. Remember this is done blindfolded, I have no HW to test on, but you guys do :) Seems to work. I'll let it

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-08 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, Brian Somers wrote: The aha driver broke somewhere between the 5th and 8th of this month. Boot -v says ``aha0: status reg test failed ff''. Are you sure? I don't see any changes to the driver during this month. aha.c: 1.33 date: 1999/10/25 04:28:53; author: imp; state:

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