Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Dan Langille
On 9 Jan 2001, at 10:20, Doug Barton wrote: And when you finally realize that everyone else thinks this is a great idea, I do not like being included in "everyone". I don't think it's a great idea. In fact, I'm quite sure that this is not true. I happen to be the only one who

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Wed 2001-01-10 (21:20), Dan Langille wrote: And when you finally realize that everyone else thinks this is a great idea, I do not like being included in "everyone". I don't think it's a great idea. If you didn't miss the comment, I was (and am now) attempting to emulate Doug's

Re: help!

2001-01-10 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20010103 03:55], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi. I have a netgear Ethernet card installed in my computer. In order to reconnect my computer to the internet, I have to reinstall the drivers and they're missing. So, I opened up my computer to look at the Ethernet card and I

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Dan Langille
On 10 Jan 2001, at 11:24, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: These changes have been tested in OpenBSD for 3 years. That's a relatively smaller user-base compared to FreeBSD. Do you consider that sufficient? The "solution" is _not_ to tell people they're stupid to schedule jobs during the

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Wed 2001-01-10 (22:35), Dan Langille wrote: That's a relatively smaller user-base compared to FreeBSD. Do you consider that sufficient? I would, yes, considering it has been three years. You may feel free to disagree, of course, and I'll get to why next: I don't see how the above

Link up/down events

2001-01-10 Thread Samuel Tardieu
Is there a way to be warned about ethernet link up/down events? I have a laptop with an internal fxp0 interface, and I'd like to launch/kill dhclient whenever the link goes up/down. Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Wed 2001-01-10 (21:35), Greg Black wrote: These changes have been tested in OpenBSD for 3 years. That's not the same as testing under FreeBSD. Of course not, but it's a reasonably similar population type. And it's not just a matter of testing anyway -- it's a matter of changing well

Re: Link up/down events

2001-01-10 Thread Robert Watson
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Samuel Tardieu wrote: Is there a way to be warned about ethernet link up/down events? I have a laptop with an internal fxp0 interface, and I'd like to launch/kill dhclient whenever the link goes up/down. I've been wondering about this also -- Darwin has this, and it's

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Leif Neland
In summary: I do not see a valid argument for not having the bugfix at all, available as an option. I do see the argument for not changing the default. I also see that everyone who opposes seems to believe that it is only people without major skills that get confused by all this, since

Re: Link up/down events

2001-01-10 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 08:57:14AM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Samuel Tardieu wrote: Is there a way to be warned about ethernet link up/down events? I have a laptop with an internal fxp0 interface, and I'd like to launch/kill dhclient whenever the link goes up/down.

Re: Link up/down events

2001-01-10 Thread Robert Watson
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Josef Karthauser wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 08:57:14AM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Samuel Tardieu wrote: Is there a way to be warned about ethernet link up/down events? I have a laptop with an internal fxp0 interface, and I'd like to

Re: Link up/down events

2001-01-10 Thread Samuel Tardieu
On 10/01, Robert Watson wrote: | Presumably at some point in the stack, that notification is translated | from a hardware event, which might be associated with devd in some manner | (and possibly also exposed there). This is the ideal situation. The other one being that the status can be read,

RE: Link up/down events

2001-01-10 Thread Chuck Rock
Has anyone looked into using SNMP with MRTG or some of the other utilities that comes with UCD-SNMP? I think this would be very easy this way. We use Castle Rock's SNMPc running on NT to montior our servers and connections. UCD-SNMP is a daemon and SNMP utilities for Linux and FreeBSD flavors

RE: Link up/down events

2001-01-10 Thread Matt Simerson
While it can be done (I do it), using MRTG/rateup/Cricket/etc. without SNMP is much like pushing a car down the street. Sometimes it's The Right Thing to do but for the other 99.4% of the time, it's far preferable to use the engine to power it. UCD-SNMP is more than just the UCD SNMP daemon.

what is swapper?

2001-01-10 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
I am working on a non-technical, generic BSD article about special system processes. I am trying to figure out some details about swapper (process 0) -- and I have a few questions. I understand that the "swapper process swaps in runnable processes that are currently swapped out, if there is

Re: what is swapper?

2001-01-10 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Jeremy C. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010110 12:11] wrote: I am working on a non-technical, generic BSD article about special system processes. I am trying to figure out some details about swapper (process 0) -- and I have a few questions. [snip] Where is this well documented? "The Design

Re: what is swapper?

2001-01-10 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 12:10:52PM -0800, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: I am working on a non-technical, generic BSD article about special system processes. I am trying to figure out some details about swapper (process 0) -- and I have a few questions. [... lots of questions ...] Where is this well

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Doug Barton
Well, we've obviously hit a hot button issue for you here Neil, for reasons that I don't pretend to understand. Please try to reduce the amount of emotion that's going into your argument It's just a computer thing after all. :) On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: On

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Doug Barton
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Gordon Tetlow wrote: Hello again. On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Doug Barton wrote: Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: On Tue 2001-01-09 (02:14), Doug Barton wrote: The point I'm trying (obviously in vain) to make is having cron do what amounts to "slewing its internal

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Doug Barton
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: To summarise: It is broken, According to your definition of broken, which we have not necessarily reached a consensus on. Not only that, but people who don't understand that it is broken are unable to understand simple facts.

apache PMAP_SHPGPERPROC (fwd)

2001-01-10 Thread Dan Phoenix
I have tried much ..increasing limits in the kernel etc real questions is ..how do you increase the socket buffer space? -- example 230 User dphoenix logged in. Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. ftp ls ftp: socket: No buffer space

Re: Link up/down events

2001-01-10 Thread Robert Watson
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Samuel Tardieu wrote: On 10/01, Robert Watson wrote: | Presumably at some point in the stack, that notification is translated | from a hardware event, which might be associated with devd in some manner | (and possibly also exposed there). This is the ideal

Re: apache PMAP_SHPGPERPROC (fwd)

2001-01-10 Thread Daniel Hagan
Are you running out of mbufs? Try running netstat -m and comparing peak and max mbuf allocations. If you're running out, you'll need to recompile your kernel (I can't remember the option off-hand, but it should be in LINT). Daniel Dan Phoenix wrote: I have tried much ..increasing limits in

Re: apache PMAP_SHPGPERPROC (fwd)

2001-01-10 Thread Dan Phoenix
Ya i checked that out already. netstat -m seems fine. What I am trying to do is move apache off this linux box to a freebsd one to split up the load. I leave mysql on linux box for the SMP. currently I have it moved back to linux box till I can fix this error. Here are some error logs from

optmizations/real time conditions

2001-01-10 Thread Jochen Kaiser
Hi ! I am working on some modifications in the netinet code. I therefore want as little intereferences/side affects as possible. I would like real time conditions ... but I think thats just an illusion :) However, I want to minimize the effects done by userland processes, getty,login,cron et

Re: apache PMAP_SHPGPERPROC (fwd)

2001-01-10 Thread Dan Phoenix
Ok i fixed itnfsbufs or something and maxusers i increased solved this problem. On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Daniel Hagan wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:50:43 -0500 From: Daniel Hagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Phoenix [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: apache

Re: help!

2001-01-10 Thread Richard Krush
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 10:29:03AM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: -On [20010103 03:55], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi. I have a netgear Ethernet card installed in my computer. In order to reconnect my computer to the internet, I have to reinstall the drivers and

Re: forth/loader question..

2001-01-10 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Chris wrote: I am attempting to add some functionality to the loader, but have come across a minor problem. Is there some way to include forth files, given a string? s" file" included (gforth example) Yes, there is... I just can't recall the exact name right now. :-) You

Setting default hostname to localhost

2001-01-10 Thread Robert Watson
Under FreeBSD, the default hostname in /etc/defaults/rc.conf is currently an empty string, "". If the hostname is not later defined, then the system will use this through multi-user mode, which can disrupt application behavior. This can occur if DHCP doesn't provide a hostname, or if the user

Re: Setting default hostname to localhost

2001-01-10 Thread Donald J . Maddox
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 09:23:13PM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: /etc/default/rc.conf to change the default hostname to "localhost". If the user configures a hostname, or DHCP provides one, it will be overridden, of course, so should not impact any configuration but one where the hostname is

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Greg Black
Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: On Wed 2001-01-10 (21:35), Greg Black wrote: To summarise: It is broken, we have the fix, No. You believe it is broken; you believe you have a fix. Not everybody agrees that it is broken or that any fix is required. Fiddling with cron to work around

Re: KVM switch vs. FreeBSD psm driver (Solved!)

2001-01-10 Thread Brian Dean
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 11:20:43PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: John Polstra wrote: I'm happy to report that this problem is solved now. After one fellow wrote to me and reported that his switch of the same model worked OK, I hunted around on the Belkin web site. It turns out that Belkin

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Gerhard Sittig
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 02:14 -0800, Doug Barton wrote: Gerhard Sittig wrote: It's not that I want to talk you into something you don't want. But that's exactly what you're trying to do. Honestly -- no! :) OK, I've been unclear there. I did reply to your message, but writing to

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Gerhard Sittig
[ note to nbm: would you like getting cc'ed, too? I'm used to keep receiver lists as short as possible, but feel free to state your wishes :) ] On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 10:20 -0800, Doug Barton wrote: Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: Now, consider NTP calibrations, . . . Your example

pthread_attr_setschedparam, mozilla, and PTHREAD_MAX_PRIORITY

2001-01-10 Thread Peter Haight
I rebuilt mozilla after upgrading to 4.2 and was getting an assertion because pthread_attr_setschedparam() was failing with a ENOTSUP. It turns out Mozilla was trying to set the thread priority to 42 which is above the new limit of 31 which changed a little before 4.2-RELEASE. To patch mozilla

RE: Setting default hostname to localhost

2001-01-10 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 11-Jan-01 Robert Watson wrote: not to (which there may be), I'd like to commit changes to -CURRENT's /etc/default/rc.conf to change the default hostname to "localhost". If the user configures a hostname, or DHCP provides one, it will be overridden, of course, so should not impact any

Re: pthread_attr_setschedparam, mozilla, and PTHREAD_MAX_PRIORITY

2001-01-10 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Peter Haight wrote: I rebuilt mozilla after upgrading to 4.2 and was getting an assertion because pthread_attr_setschedparam() was failing with a ENOTSUP. It turns out Mozilla was trying to set the thread priority to 42 which is above the new limit of 31 which changed a

Reg: Adaptec AIC-7892 on board SCSI controller ..

2001-01-10 Thread S Chandrasekaran
Hi All, I don't know if this is the appropriate forum, but nevertheless. I have a HP Kayak XU 800. This machine has a Adaptec AIC-7892 SCSI controller and a quantum hard disk (Atlas 10k). I tried to install FreeBSD 3.3 on this machine, but the hardware probe is unable to probe

Re: Reg: Adaptec AIC-7892 on board SCSI controller ..

2001-01-10 Thread Justin T. Gibbs
I bought 3.3 CD's from Walnut Creek and use BSD at home, but that has a IDE disk. This is my first attempt at installing one with SCSI. Upgrading to 4.x is not an option. FreeBSD 3.3 does not include support for the 7892. IIRC 3.4 and all releases after it, supports the 7892. -- Justin

Re: Reg: Adaptec AIC-7892 on board SCSI controller ..

2001-01-10 Thread S Chandrasekaran
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 10:21:59PM -0700, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: I bought 3.3 CD's from Walnut Creek and use BSD at home, but that has a IDE disk. This is my first attempt at installing one with SCSI. Upgrading to 4.x is not an option. FreeBSD 3.3 does not include support for the

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Greg Black
Gerhard Sittig wrote: I take notice of your (and Greg Black's) reservation / being opposed, respect it and conclude that the change will have to - default to the current behaviour (something quite usual for expanding changes) We'd need some guarantees that the attempt to maintain current

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Greg Black
"Dan Langille" wrote: On 11 Jan 2001, at 16:33, Greg Black wrote: We'd need some guarantees that the attempt to maintain current behaviour was done correctly -- i.e., without introducing bugs that broke things. What sort of guarantees are acceptable? It would need to be tested

Re: KVM switch vs. FreeBSD psm driver (Solved!)

2001-01-10 Thread Doug Barton
John Polstra wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Polstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a Belkin OmniView Pro 8-Port KVM switch which thinks it's much smarter than it really is. When I try to use the mouse through it with FreeBSD (-current from around Christmas, but I also