Marc wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 07/03/2001 11:57:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now try to imagine a whole PC on a smaller board than a PIII CPU
cartridge. If you can't, get a copy of the Embedded Systems
Terry Lambert wrote:
I think you'll find that Wes Peters has worked on a number
of them as well (one of his is now called Intel InBusiness
servers).
My Internet Station ran VxWorks because we didn't have enough CPU
budget for anything else, and because we were fighting political
wars over a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Again, you are only considering your personal case. If
crypto should be needed on an embedded appliance, I don't
think they would need a lightning-fast processor and VGA
support, when crypto is all they want.
Your premise that embedded appliances are
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Entire PIII MBs are available for under $60. Your concept
that the delta in cost between a 486 chipset and PIII is
more that that is utterly ridiculous PIII chipsets and 486
chipsets cost the same in quantity. Try using a resource
other than your Radio Shack
Sergey Babkin wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Entire PIII MBs are available for under $60. Your concept that the delta in
cost between a 486 chipset and PIII is more that that is utterly ridiculous
PIII chipsets and 486 chipsets cost the same in quantity. Try using a
resource other
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sergey
Babkin) wrote:
Now try to imagine a whole PC on a smaller board than a PIII CPU
cartridge. If you can't, get a copy of the Embedded Systems magazine
and look at the pictures in it.
Imagine a complete 80186 system with 512k RAM and 512K
In a message dated 07/03/2001 11:57:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now try to imagine a whole PC on a smaller board than a PIII CPU
cartridge. If you can't, get a copy of the Embedded Systems magazine
and look at the pictures in it.
Imagine a complete 80186
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 07/03/2001 11:57:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now try to imagine a whole PC on a smaller board than a PIII CPU
cartridge. If you can't, get a copy of the Embedded Systems magazine
and look
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We can picture it, but such a system can't route a full 100mb/s ethernet,
so its fairly useless as a network device/router as is proposed here.
You're a real guru. Right. ISDN gives you about raw 192 kBit/s (144 kBit/s
on the S0 bus) to
In a message dated 07/03/2001 12:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Imagine a complete 80186 system with 512k RAM and 512K flash disk, two
serial ports, 14 digital IO lines and an Ethernet in a 32 pin DIL
package.
They are planning to replace the 80186
I think you've missed the fact that the '486 solution requires an
add-on board (priced at $80.) and the faster cpu solution doesnt. That
adds a lot of margin to get a faster MB, more than enough to
compensate for the board.
Not necessarily. The upgraded motherboard also
In a message dated 07/02/2001 12:16:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You are way off on your pricing. Way off. A 633 Celeron
is under 50. Q1 for petes sake. The cost difference would be less than
$20.
in quantity. It would be less than $80. Q1.
That's
On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 06:08:31PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 07/02/2001 12:16:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You are way off on your pricing. Way off. A 633 Celeron
is under 50. Q1 for petes sake. The cost difference would be less than
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Entire PIII MBs are available for under $60. Your concept that the delta in
cost between a 486 chipset and PIII is more that that is utterly ridiculous
PIII chipsets and 486 chipsets cost the same in quantity. Try using a
resource other than your Radio Shack
In a message dated 06/29/2001 11:01:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really? Have you even looked at the net4501 board which was mentioned?
It's
a single-board computer constructed for some specific communication
applications, with no VGA or keyboard
Really? Have you even looked at the net4501 board which was mentioned?
It's
a single-board computer constructed for some specific communication
applications, with no VGA or keyboard support, or spinning fans, and
is
pretty inexpensive and in a very small form
In a message dated 06/30/2001 3:44:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your premise that embedded appliances are somehow doomed to use
pitifully
outdated processors is simply wrong.
Who said anything about pitifully outdated processors. I can buy a heck
of
Your premise that embedded appliances are somehow doomed to use
pitifully
outdated processors is simply wrong.
Who said anything about pitifully outdated processors. I can buy a heck
of alot of CPU horsepower w/out buying the latest/greatest CPU.
As a matter of
Hi,
Bryan, again you're missing the point :-) You're working out from just
processing power, in the embedded world you usually start from somewhere
else
In the case of my products, the requirement are small size, low cost, no
moving parts (no fans or disks), long life, low power, meaning a
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 10:55:39AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/28/01 11:16:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really? Have you even looked at the net4501 board which was mentioned?
It's
a single-board computer constructed for some
In a message dated 06/27/2001 11:06:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's not really the point here, I was talking about lowest end
hardware compared to high end CPU. If we compare with high end hardware,
then we're talking about factor 50 faster than software
In a message dated 06/27/2001 11:06:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's not really the point here, I was talking about lowest end
hardware compared to high end CPU. If we compare with high end hardware,
then we're talking about factor 50 faster than
Hi,
Btw, did I say that I'm planning to sell the 7951 based crypto board for
around $80 in single unnit volume, both for the PCI and MiniPCI
version
And Mike, if my answer is just a sentence, I like to keep it on top, so
people don't have to scroll all the way down to see what I'm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 06/24/2001 2:53:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And btw, hardware beats software anytime. The fastest PC processor right
now is about the same speed as the slowest hardware.
what are the numbers? Are you accounting
Soren Kristensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] types:
I'm not claiming any specific numbers, just that the chip I'm using, the
lowest end hi/fn 7951, is said to be faster than your typical highend
1Ghz CPU doing 3-DES.
[ ... ]
I'm only talking about this specific case of doing computing intensive
Hi,
That's not really the point here, I was talking about lowest end
hardware compared to high end CPU. If we compare with high end hardware,
then we're talking about factor 50 faster than software There are
chips out that can do 1Gbit 3-DES, given a 64bit/66Mhz PCI bus.
I'm just starting
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 09:51:47PM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote:
The crucial bottleneck for this kind of thing is the doubling
time. Unless your special purpose hardware doubles in speed as fast or
faster than general purpose CPUs, then eventually it's going to be
slow, then expensive, and finally
Steve Ames [EMAIL PROTECTED] types:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 09:51:47PM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote:
The crucial bottleneck for this kind of thing is the doubling
time. Unless your special purpose hardware doubles in speed as fast or
faster than general purpose CPUs, then eventually it's going
In a message dated 06/24/2001 2:53:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And btw, hardware beats software anytime. The fastest PC processor right
now is about the same speed as the slowest hardware.
what are the numbers? Are you accounting for the overhead in accessing the
Soren Kristensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As I now has prototypes avaliable of low cost PCI and MiniPCI boards,
moving to production in a couple of weeks, I would like to check up on
the work, as I would really like to see FreeBSD support. The boards are
now supported in OpenBSD 2.9.
OK, so
Dag-Erling Smorgrav([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.06.24 17:48:47 +:
Soren Kristensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As I now has prototypes avaliable of low cost PCI and MiniPCI boards,
moving to production in a couple of weeks, I would like to check up on
the work, as I would really like to see
Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i think ipsec crypto abstraction into hardware is one side of the medal,
but the other side -- to be polished first -- ist getting openssl onto
the iron.
What you're basically trying to say is that you want a userland
interface to the crypto
Dag-Erling Smorgrav([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.06.24 18:20:53 +:
Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i think ipsec crypto abstraction into hardware is one side of the medal,
but the other side -- to be polished first -- ist getting openssl onto
the iron.
What you're basically
Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
yup, exactly. to me it seems to be a major problem to get some unified
api out of openssl adressing fucnctions on the hardware -- i simply do
not know how other crypto chipsets do it, i just investigated the
rainbow board. they got a patch against
In article local.mail.freebsd-hackers/[EMAIL PROTECTED] you
write:
sure. my impression with the rainbow guys was, that they are very open
to the opensource community. they supplied a board, (user) docs and the
unreleased driver/openssl code to us and i was very impressed about
their attitude
In a message dated 6/24/01 12:33:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A 3.x driver *could* be ported forward to 4.x and 5.x, but the
required changes are not trivial (newbus, SMPng...) and you'd still
need sample boards for testing and debugging, and docs for reference
Dag-Erling Smorgrav([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.06.24 18:38:31 +:
Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
yup, exactly. to me it seems to be a major problem to get some unified
api out of openssl adressing fucnctions on the hardware -- i simply do
not know how other crypto chipsets
Hi,
Thanks for the responses so far. First, let me say that I'm a hardware
guy, and don't know all the details of FreeBSD's network stack.
There is two common kind of hardware encryption acceleration, and I
think they're being mixed a little here.
SSL is for secure web access, and the main
Bsdguru == Bsdguru [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bsdguru I'd suggest doing a study on the benefits as well. With 1+Ghz
Bsdguru processors, the advantages of doing this in hardware become
Bsdguru less than in the old days.
Think about the embedded market, where 486 class processors are still
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 06:38:31PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
yup, exactly. to me it seems to be a major problem to get some unified
api out of openssl adressing fucnctions on the hardware -- i simply do
not know how other crypto
In article local.mail.freebsd-hackers/[EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
Hi,
Thanks for the responses so far. First, let me say that I'm a hardware
guy, and don't know all the details of FreeBSD's network stack.
There is two common kind of hardware encryption acceleration, and I
think they're being
Soren Kristensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
SSL is for secure web access, and the main need is for Public Key
generating. This don't really have anything to do with the IP stack.
Afaik, OpenSSL is more like a extension to the web server software.
Try 'man openssl', or just 'openssl -help'.
Hi,
There has been some talks earlier about importing the OpenBSD code for
encryption hardware support.
As I now has prototypes avaliable of low cost PCI and MiniPCI boards,
moving to production in a couple of weeks, I would like to check up on
the work, as I would really like to see FreeBSD
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:20:33 -0700
Soren Kristensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
soren There has been some talks earlier about importing the OpenBSD code for
soren encryption hardware support.
soren As I now has prototypes avaliable of low cost PCI and MiniPCI boards,
soren moving to production in
In article local.mail.freebsd-hackers/[EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
Hi,
There has been some talks earlier about importing the OpenBSD code for
encryption hardware support.
As I now has prototypes avaliable of low cost PCI and MiniPCI boards,
moving to production in a couple of weeks, I would
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