Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-13 Thread Gunther Schadow
On 2/10/2021 11:47 AM, Sean Chittenden wrote: Expect to see something about this on this year's Community Survey and the Core Team will do something with this information. Cloud has been an increasingly important workload for FreeBSD users. Thank you Sean, I think it would really be good to

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-10 Thread Sean Chittenden
Expect to see something about this on this year's Community Survey and the Core Team will do something with this information. Cloud has been an increasingly important workload for FreeBSD users. Or at least, our community is moving a fair number of workloads to virtualized metal, and running on t

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-10 Thread Gunther Schadow
I think we got enough feed back now from other professionals to suggest that it would do the FreeBSD project good to acknowledge the issue and create some sort of work in progress / project statement, perhaps a wiki, where people can flock to to look for workarounds, current statue, just to not fe

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-06 Thread Mark Saad
On Feb 6, 2021, at 7:07 AM, Łukasz Wąsikowski wrote: > All So what I was getting at, is do we have good data on what the issue is ? Can we make a new wiki page on the FreeBSD wiki to track what works what and doesn’t . Does one exist ? To be clear we should check if the issue something th

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-06 Thread Łukasz Wąsikowski
W dniu 2021-02-06 o 00:35, Mark Saad pisze: Also just a bit of advice; Contrary to popular belief Amazon does not actually sell magic beans . AWS has 32% market share. I don't know if they beans are magic or not, but this is the biggest cloud today. If FreeBSD want to be on this train, it

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-06 Thread Mark Saad
> On Feb 5, 2021, at 6:14 PM, Sean Chittenden wrote: > > To be clear, this is a known issue that needs attention: it is not a > benchmarking setup problem. Network throughput has a similar problem and > needs similar attention. Cloud is not a fringe server workload. -sc > > >> On Fri, Feb

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-05 Thread Brendan Gregg
G'Day Gunther, I can at least share some experiences from the other side, and how they can apply to FreeBSD. On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 1:53 AM Gunther Schadow wrote: > > Hi, I've been with FreeBSD since 386BSD 0.0new. Always tried to run > everything on it. I saw us lose the epic race against Linux

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-05 Thread Gunther Schadow
Hi Sean and Brendan On 2/5/2021 6:14 PM, Sean Chittenden wrote: To be clear, this is a known issue that needs attention: it is not a benchmarking setup problem. Network throughput has a similar problem and needs similar attention. Cloud is not a fringe server workload. -sc I am so glad you

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-05 Thread Sean Chittenden
To be clear, this is a known issue that needs attention: it is not a benchmarking setup problem. Network throughput has a similar problem and needs similar attention. Cloud is not a fringe server workload. -sc On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 3:00 PM Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: > On 2021-02-05 12:45, Gunth

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-05 Thread Jin Guojun[VFF]
On 2021-02-05 12:45, Gunther Schadow wrote: Gordon Bergling wrote: Can you verify your feelings by numbers? Yes, like I said Not by a few % points, but by factors if not an order of magnitude! https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=253261 Do this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/nvd2

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-05 Thread Gunther Schadow
Gordon Bergling wrote: Can you verify your feelings by numbers? Yes, like I said Not by a few % points, but by factors if not an order of magnitude! https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=253261 Do this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/nvd2 bs=100M status=progress and you see that it'

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-05 Thread Gordon Bergling
Sorry, for top posting. Can you verify your feelings by numbers? --Gordon On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 09:53:33AM -0500, Gunther Schadow wrote: > Hi, I've been with FreeBSD since 386BSD 0.0new. Always tried to run > everything on it. I saw us lose the epic race against Linux over the > stupid BSDI la

Re: FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-05 Thread claudiu vasadi
FreeBSD got killed a long time ago. thank the leadership, or lack thereof, for it. I was in your shoes and I had no choice but to ditch it all together eventually. want pf? openbsd. want something else, go linux :shrug: several on the forum (old and new) feel the same and had to make the same decis

FreeBSD on Amazon AWS EC2 long standing performance problems

2021-02-05 Thread Gunther Schadow
Hi, I've been with FreeBSD since 386BSD 0.0new. Always tried to run everything on it. I saw us lose the epic race against Linux over the stupid BSDI lawsuit. But now I'm afraid I am witnessing the complete fading of FreeBSD from relevance in the marketplace as the performance of FreeBSD on AWS EC2