For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-28 Thread Spenst, Aleksej
Hi All, I have to provide for my system better security and I guess it would be better to start pf.conf with the "block all" rule opening afterwards only those incoming and outcoming ports that are supposed to be used by the system on external interfaces. However, it would be easier for me to w

Re: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-28 Thread Michael Proto
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Spenst, Aleksej wrote: > Hi All, > > I have to provide for my system better security and I guess it would be > better to start pf.conf with the "block all" rule opening afterwards only > those incoming and outcoming ports that are supposed to be used by the syste

Re: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-28 Thread David DeSimone
It's all about layers of defense, and whether the reduced convenience is worthwhile. Limiting outbound traffic from your system is a hassle, but I like to think about this scenario: Suppose an attacker did manage to find an exploitable method on your system, and was able to open up a shell. What

RE: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-28 Thread Greg Hennessy
> What disadvantages does it have in term of security in comparison with > "block all"? In other words, how bad it is to have all outgoing ports always > opened and whether someone can use this to hack the sysem? > It's the principle of 'least privilege'. Explicitly allow what is permitted, de

Re: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-28 Thread Jon Radel
On 7/28/10 2:55 PM, Spenst, Aleksej wrote: Hi All, I have to provide for my system better security and I guess it would be better to start pf.conf with the "block all" rule opening afterwards only those incoming and outcoming ports that are supposed to be used by the system on external interfa

Re: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-28 Thread Peter Maxwell
On 28 July 2010 20:39, Greg Hennessy wrote: > > > What disadvantages does it have in term of security in comparison with > > "block all"? In other words, how bad it is to have all outgoing ports > always > > opened and whether someone can use this to hack the sysem? > > > > It's the principle of

RE: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-29 Thread Greg Hennessy
er Maxwell [pe...@allicient.co.uk] Sent: 29 July 2010 03:52 To: Greg Hennessy Cc: Spenst, Aleksej; freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Subject: Re: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough? On 28 July 2010 20:39, Greg Hennessy wrote: > What disadvantag

Re: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-29 Thread Peter Maxwell
; primary cause of a test failing. > > > > > Kind regards > > Greg > > > > From: allicient3...@gmail.com [allicient3...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Maxwell [pe...@allicient.co.uk] > Sent: 29 July 2010 03:52 > To: Greg Hennessy > Cc: Spenst, Aleksej; fre

RE: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-29 Thread Greg Hennessy
> If, as you say, there are "Governance, Risk, and Compliance reasons", > perhaps you'd like to specify one or two for each category? Start with an ISMS derived from 27k, add a soupcon of PCI DSS requirement 10, Basel II, throw in SOX 404 or an SAS 70 type II audit, you get the picture. > Lo

Re: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-29 Thread Peter Maxwell
On 29 July 2010 20:08, Greg Hennessy wrote: > > > > If, as you say, there are "Governance, Risk, and Compliance reasons", > > perhaps you'd like to specify one or two for each category? > > Start with an ISMS derived from 27k, add a soupcon of PCI DSS requirement > 10, Basel II, throw in SOX 404

RE: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-29 Thread Greg Hennessy
block all" or "block in all" is enough? On 29 July 2010 20:08, Greg Hennessy mailto:greg.henne...@nviz.net>> wrote: > If, as you say, there are "Governance, Risk, and Compliance reasons", > perhaps you'd like to specify one or two for each category? Sta

Re: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-29 Thread Chris Buechler
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Peter Maxwell wrote: > > An ISMS, is a company defined document so will likely have different entries > or even none at all for that matter depending on the company.  In a previous > company I worked for, you would have just supported my point. > > And nice try, wh

Re: For better security: always "block all" or "block in all" is enough?

2010-07-29 Thread Peter Maxwell
On 30 July 2010 00:08, Chris Buechler wrote: > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Peter Maxwell > wrote: > > > > An ISMS, is a company defined document so will likely have different > entries > > or even none at all for that matter depending on the company. In a > previous > > company I worked fo