Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-30 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Gabor Pali wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: We generally don't refer to pkgng in the docs: please use "pkg". Well, I saw pkg written as "pkgng" in some other section (5.2.2.2. "PORTEPOCH") of the Porter's Handbook. Actually, I prefer to write i

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-30 Thread Gabor Pali
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > We generally don't refer to pkgng in the docs: please use "pkg". Well, I saw pkg written as "pkgng" in some other section (5.2.2.2. "PORTEPOCH") of the Porter's Handbook. Actually, I prefer to write it as pkg(8), but I am not sure if there ha

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-30 Thread Eitan Adler
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Gabor Pali wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> I do buy this argument :) and I'll see want I can do for that in the next >> couple >> of days. > > Please find a patch [1] (and see [2] for the HTML preview) for the > porters-hand

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-30 Thread Dominic Fandrey
On 29/10/2013 22:02, Gabor Pali wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> I do buy this argument :) and I'll see want I can do for that in the next >> couple >> of days. > > Please find a patch [1] (and see [2] for the HTML preview) for the > porters-handbook documen

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-29 Thread Gabor Pali
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > I do buy this argument :) and I'll see want I can do for that in the next > couple > of days. Please find a patch [1] (and see [2] for the HTML preview) for the porters-handbook document to address this problem. Note that some of the

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 04:04:58PM +0100, Michael Gmelin wrote: > On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:56:46 +0100 > Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:40:50AM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > > > On 28/10/2013 11:26, John Marino wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2013 11:16, Dominic Fandrey wrote:

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Michael Gmelin
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:56:46 +0100 Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:40:50AM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > > On 28/10/2013 11:26, John Marino wrote: > > > On 10/28/2013 11:16, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > > >> On 28/10/2013 11:03, John Marino wrote: > > >>> If there are files i

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:40:50AM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > On 28/10/2013 11:26, John Marino wrote: > > On 10/28/2013 11:16, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > >> On 28/10/2013 11:03, John Marino wrote: > >>> If there are files in those directories, they'll be on the plist and > >>> stage handles them

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Dominic Fandrey
On 28/10/2013 11:26, John Marino wrote: > On 10/28/2013 11:16, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >> On 28/10/2013 11:03, John Marino wrote: >>> If there are files in those directories, they'll be on the plist and >>> stage handles them. I'd have to look up how to create empty directories >>> properly. >> >>

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread John Marino
On 10/28/2013 11:16, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > On 28/10/2013 11:03, John Marino wrote: >> If there are files in those directories, they'll be on the plist and >> stage handles them. I'd have to look up how to create empty directories >> properly. > > Stage replaceses strings in installed files? N

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Dominic Fandrey
On 28/10/2013 11:03, John Marino wrote: > On 10/28/2013 10:54, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >> On 28/10/2013 10:34, John Marino wrote: >>> On 10/28/2013 10:29, Dominic Fandrey wrote: That's a handfull. What about installers that hard-code directories during install? >>> >>> They can hardco

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 10/28/13 10:03, John Marino wrote: > If there are files in those directories, they'll be on the plist and > stage handles them. I'd have to look up how to create empty directories > properly. pkg(8) will just create whatever directories you tell it to. pkg_tools either has to have am @exec lin

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Michael Gmelin
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:29:49 +0100 Dominic Fandrey wrote: > On 28/10/2013 09:58, John Marino wrote: > > On 10/28/2013 09:53, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > >> On 28/10/2013 09:47, Łukasz Wąsikowski wrote: > >>> W dniu 2013-10-28 09:41, Dominic Fandrey pisze: > >>> > Neither staging nor license man

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread John Marino
On 10/28/2013 10:54, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > On 28/10/2013 10:34, John Marino wrote: >> On 10/28/2013 10:29, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >>> >>> That's a handfull. What about installers that hard-code directories >>> during install? >> >> They can hardcode into the stage directory. Anywhere else is wr

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Dominic Fandrey
On 28/10/2013 10:34, John Marino wrote: > On 10/28/2013 10:29, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >> On 28/10/2013 09:58, John Marino wrote: >>> On 10/28/2013 09:53, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >>> However, converting to stagedir is reasonably documented here: >>> https://wiki.freebsd.org/ports/StageDir >> >> That'

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread John Marino
On 10/28/2013 10:29, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > On 28/10/2013 09:58, John Marino wrote: >> On 10/28/2013 09:53, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >> However, converting to stagedir is reasonably documented here: >> https://wiki.freebsd.org/ports/StageDir > > That's a handfull. What about installers that hard-c

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Dominic Fandrey
On 28/10/2013 09:58, John Marino wrote: > On 10/28/2013 09:53, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >> On 28/10/2013 09:47, Łukasz Wąsikowski wrote: >>> W dniu 2013-10-28 09:41, Dominic Fandrey pisze: >>> Neither staging nor license management are described in the Porters' Handbook. Why again

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread John Marino
On 10/28/2013 09:53, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > On 28/10/2013 09:47, Łukasz Wąsikowski wrote: >> W dniu 2013-10-28 09:41, Dominic Fandrey pisze: >> >>> Neither staging nor license management are described in the Porters' >>> Handbook. >>> >>> Why again should we bother to support it? >>> >>> What hap

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Dominic Fandrey
On 28/10/2013 09:47, Łukasz Wąsikowski wrote: > W dniu 2013-10-28 09:41, Dominic Fandrey pisze: > >> Neither staging nor license management are described in the Porters' >> Handbook. >> >> Why again should we bother to support it? >> >> What happened to "the feature that is not documented doesn't

Re: State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Łukasz Wąsikowski
W dniu 2013-10-28 09:41, Dominic Fandrey pisze: > Neither staging nor license management are described in the Porters' > Handbook. > > Why again should we bother to support it? > > What happened to "the feature that is not documented doesn't exist"? Lack of good documentation is real problem fo

State of the Porters' Handbook

2013-10-28 Thread Dominic Fandrey
Neither staging nor license management are described in the Porters' Handbook. Why again should we bother to support it? What happened to "the feature that is not documented doesn't exist"? -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thi