Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-20 Thread Brian Callahan
snip After deciding I could not really buy a computer locally, I ordered my latest machine from Freedom Included, Inc from in the US. http://freedomincluded.com/product/lemote-yeeloong/ It is a MIPS-based subnotebook shipping with gNewSense (Linux distro). I don't think it is what the OP

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-19 Thread Maciej Milewski
On Saturday 19 of February 2011 06:12:52, Craig Butler wrote: Lenovo destroyed thinkpad in the t410i range; * stupid flimsy/flexi keyboard with massive delete and escape keys (why ???) I don't liked it either so I stayed with R400. * gobi 2000 3g connectivity, cant get it working on anything

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-19 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
I am typing on a Lenovo Thinkpad R500 running 8-stable, after (a very high quality) instruction installation by Yamagi Burmeister (http://www.bsdforen.de/showthread.php?s=e2db5256b283497ca371738ad34b7572t=24823). I am very happy with both FreeBSD and my notebook since I switched (unnerved) from

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-19 Thread David Brodbeck
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Reality:  XP purchased with a Toshiba laptop runs native, but fails on  virtualbox, on the same laptop.  I believe XP is crippled to only  run on Toshiba, vbox presents too clean/generic an environment ;-) Sometimes

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-19 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:57:02 -0800, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: Sometimes there can be activation issues with OEM versions of Windows XP. They're usually keyed to the manufacturer's BIOS. Not a problem anymore - after 2014. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-19 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:32:59 -0500, Brian Callahan kors...@gmail.com wrote: IANAL, but I have been informed by several lawyers that you cannot do this. The Windows 7 EULA, when preinstalled on a machine, states that the agreement is between you and the company selling you the computer, and By

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-18 Thread Jorge Biquez
At 11:06 p.m. 17/02/2011, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:23:57PM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: Does it have to be new? The best deal might be to get a used laptop. Then it doesn't matter what it originally shipped with, all you care about is whether it's on the FreeBSD

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-18 Thread Henrik Hudson
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the value of the

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-18 Thread Warren Block
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Henrik Hudson wrote: Any of the i3 / i5 systems will be using Optimus, even if they don't state as much, and this is not supported under FreeBSD or Linux, neither proprietary or FOSS drivers. Some of the higher-end laptops (Lenovo) you can switch off optimus either in BIOS

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 08:41:09AM -0600, Jorge Biquez wrote: I guess my best bet is top have a used one. Is not that it has to be new but I wanted to invest in something new that last some years, my last lap has 7 years but it is short on memory and won't accept more. I will use ebay I

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-18 Thread Julian H. Stacey
The major OEMs will say OK, then you must return the computer, and you have no option but to comply. This is true for the USA. 192 sovereign countries exist with differing laws. Licenses I've seen from usually USA companies in Europe over decades have often seemed to contravene local law.

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-18 Thread Robert Huff
Chad Perrin writes: In my experience, ThinkPads are among the highest quality laptops on the market. At one point, Thinkpads - particularly the T4x series - were _the_ recommended used laptop. While it's been a while since i looked into this formally, my grapevine says the quality

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-18 Thread John Levine
At one point, Thinkpads - particularly the T4x series - were _the_ recommended used laptop. While it's been a while since i looked into this formally, my grapevine says the quality went downhill quickly after Lenovo bought IBM's pc hardware division. I'm typing this on my Lenovo X200

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:08:09PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: Chad Perrin writes: In my experience, ThinkPads are among the highest quality laptops on the market. At one point, Thinkpads - particularly the T4x series - were _the_ recommended used laptop. While it's been a

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 04:28:24AM +, John Levine wrote: I'm typing this on my Lenovo X200 running 8.1. For the most part it works quite well and the quality seems similar to my previous IBM X40. The worst annoyance is that the sound volume is quite low, and I haven't yet figured out

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-18 Thread Craig Butler
On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 04:28 +, John Levine wrote: At one point, Thinkpads - particularly the T4x series - were _the_ recommended used laptop. While it's been a while since i looked into this formally, my grapevine says the quality went downhill quickly after Lenovo bought IBM's pc

Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-17 Thread Jorge Biquez
Hello all. I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-17 Thread Chuck Swiger
Hola, Jorge-- On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Jorge Biquez wrote: I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-17 Thread ill...@gmail.com
On 17 February 2011 13:43, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Hello all. I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-17 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chuck Swiger on Thursday, 17 February 2011: Hola, Jorge-- On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Jorge Biquez wrote: I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-17 Thread David Brodbeck
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-17 Thread Brian Callahan
3) Buy a machine with the base Win 7 Home installed, decline the license, and request a refund.   Be prepared to waste significant time on this, but it can be done. IANAL, but I have been informed by several lawyers that you cannot do this. The Windows 7 EULA, when preinstalled on a machine,

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-17 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Brian Callahan on Thursday, 17 February 2011: 3) Buy a machine with the base Win 7 Home installed, decline the license, and request a refund.   Be prepared to waste significant time on this, but it can be done. IANAL, but I have been informed by several lawyers that you cannot do

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-17 Thread Brian Callahan
Those links both sport some pretty expensive prices.  My comparable ASUS cost about half that, and came with Windows 7 installed (which I simply erased).  Are those prices for real? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com  |

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-17 Thread Charlie Kester
On Thu 17 Feb 2011 at 10:43:24 PST Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the

Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?

2011-02-17 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:23:57PM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: Does it have to be new? The best deal might be to get a used laptop. Then it doesn't matter what it originally shipped with, all you care about is whether it's on the FreeBSD hardware compatibility list. Along these