Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Gary Gatten , 2011-07-18 21:44 (+0200): > I've always been curious why "Linux" seemed to take off so fast when > other FOSS / non Winblow$ OS's were available for some time with not > much traction; OS/2, BeOS, *nix with X11, etc. I'm not sure what you mean by "fast" here. It took a few years, at

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > And going back on the > subject of network managers I have to agree I too hate these tools from the > moment they took over the manual way of setting things. Even good old > solaris now has this on by *default*. Horrible (imho). Yes, nwam

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Op 24-7-2011 2:00 schreef Jerry: On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:58:07 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: You are clearly an asshole who has no interest in having a reasonable discussion. "Newer methods" do not "frighten" me, you stupid asshole. Thanks Chad. At one time I thought you were intelligent with

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:58:07 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > You are clearly an asshole who has no interest in having a reasonable > discussion. "Newer methods" do not "frighten" me, you stupid asshole. Thanks Chad. At one time I thought you were intelligent with conflicting views. However, the

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 24/07/2011 00:25, Bruce Cran wrote: On 23/07/2011 22:58, Chad Perrin wrote: Do you realize that MS Windows has nothing equivalent to rc.conf or /etc/network/interfaces? It does: it's in the registry. HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\Tcpip\Parameters\Interfaces contains a list of int

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:25:10PM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: > On 23/07/2011 22:58, Chad Perrin wrote: > >Do you realize that MS Windows has nothing equivalent to rc.conf or > >/etc/network/interfaces? > > It does: it's in the registry. > HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\Tcpip\Parameters\Int

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 23/07/2011 22:58, Chad Perrin wrote: Do you realize that MS Windows has nothing equivalent to rc.conf or /etc/network/interfaces? It does: it's in the registry. HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\Tcpip\Parameters\Interfaces contains a list of interfaces and their settings. %SystemRoo

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:05:40AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:58:26 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > In fact, the NetworkManager set of network management tools has in > > some ways outdone the stupidities of MS Windows network management. > > "Hey, this is stupid, but it's

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:58:26 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:56:42AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > > Want it like this? :-) --->http://xkcd.com/416/ > > That's exactly what I don't want. That is (an exaggeration of) what > NetworkManager is trying to do and, p

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:58:26 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > I mean that its primary purpose is to try to guess what the > user wants based on the developers' mental model of what users want, then > tries to make it happen -- and, too often, the developers' mental model > of what users want does not ma

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:56:42AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > Want it like this? :-) --->http://xkcd.com/416/ That's exactly what I don't want. That is (an exaggeration of) what NetworkManager is trying to do and, predictably, it fails sometimes, just as MS Windows' automated network con

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:55:29 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:21:31 -0600 > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > This is where we find a dividing line between users who want different > > things. Yes, you turn on your Win7 laptop (or wake it up) in a coffee > > shop, and it connects automag

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:29:41 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > If you turn off the automation that connects you to networks you do > not want, you turn off the "advantage" you suggest FreeBSD needs. Maybe its a language thing; however, I am not comprehending what you are trying got say. You would

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:03:56PM -0600, Sam George wrote: > > Having come to BSD from Linux less than a month ago, I find it > interesting that the very thing, which Mr. Pottering is encouraging in > Linux development, is what has lead me to search for other options > besides Linux. Of late

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 08:55:29AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:21:31 -0600 > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > This is where we find a dividing line between users who want different > > things. Yes, you turn on your Win7 laptop (or wake it up) in a coffee > > shop, and it connects a

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Tuesday 19 July 2011 10:06:22 Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:33:01 -0300 > > Mario Lobo articulated: > > First of all, forgive me for top posting but I don't want to > > "disturb" the debate between Jerry and Polytropon. In fact, I enjoyed > > it so much that I saved it in separate folde

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:19:04 -0400 Michael Sierchio articulated: > IMHO what has helped Linux is the existence of commercial > distributions with support - Red Hat, SUSE, etc. The only attempts to > do this for BSD have been undercapitalized and/or half-hearted. Yes, it is hard to sell a car san

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

>> juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather >> interesting post this morning. >> >> "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore" >> >> >> <http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/11/07/16/0020243/Lennart-Poettering-BSD-I

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 7/17/2011 05:10, Jerry wrote: While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather interesting post this morning. "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore" <http://bsd.slashdot.org/stor

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

At 11:20 19/07/2011, Jerome Herman wrote: A FreeBSD distro with LDAP, ACL and MAC management would be nice though. You could create a port that brings all this functionality in one rush. Remember that the ports collection is more than just about installing software - it can be used to even bring

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:50:25 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:01:20 -0400 > > From: Jerry > > Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore > > > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:31:41 +0200 > > Polytrop

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:33:01 -0300 Mario Lobo articulated: > First of all, forgive me for top posting but I don't want to > "disturb" the debate between Jerry and Polytropon. In fact, I enjoyed > it so much that I saved it in separate folder. It is just plain good > reading, not only because of th

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:21:31 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > This is where we find a dividing line between users who want different > things. Yes, you turn on your Win7 laptop (or wake it up) in a coffee > shop, and it connects automagically -- in fact, you probably don't > even realize it has c

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:20:29 +0200, Jerome Herman wrote: > On 19/07/2011 08:11, Polytropon wrote: > > Arguing... what is easier at manually locating software using > > a web browser, manually downloading it and interactively > > holding the installer's hand while installing software? :-) > Well, of

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 19/07/2011 08:11, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 01:39:02 +0200, Jerome Herman wrote: On 19/07/2011 01:21, Gary Gatten wrote: This may get me flamed (probably will) but I'm wondering what the relationship is between FreeBSD and PC-BSD? PERHAPS if they were to somehow join forces, s

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 01:39:02 +0200, Jerome Herman wrote: > On 19/07/2011 01:21, Gary Gatten wrote: > > > > > > This may get me flamed (probably will) but I'm wondering what > > the relationship is between FreeBSD and PC-BSD? PERHAPS if > > they were to somehow join forces, share development load,

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:01:20 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:31:41 +0200 > Polytropon articulated: > > > Your TV example is very good. I've recently read a text > > that predicts the future of CDs - a text from the late 80's. > > When we consider what we are _currently_ using, the tex

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:01:20 -0400 > From: Jerry > Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:31:41 +0200 > Polytropon articulated: > > > Your TV example is very good. I've recently read a text > > that p

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 04:22:45PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > I think the explanation is rather simple, "Give the user what he wants, > not what you think he wants." You are never going to satisfy every > conceivable user, so concentrate on the core users. Microsoft has done > that extremely well. On

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Hi; First of all, forgive me for top posting but I don't want to "disturb" the debate between Jerry and Polytropon. In fact, I enjoyed it so much that I saved it in separate folder. It is just plain good reading, not only because of the issue at hand, but also because of the elegance and intell

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:31:41 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > Your TV example is very good. I've recently read a text > that predicts the future of CDs - a text from the late 80's. > When we consider what we are _currently_ using, the text > predicting "no important future for CDs" looks quite funn

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Hi; First of all, forgive me for top posting but I don't want to "disturb" the debate between Jerry and Polytropon. In fact, I enjoyed it so much that I saved it in separate folder. It is just plain good reading, not only because of the issue at hand, but also because of the elegance and intel

RE: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

> -Original Message- > From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Robison, Dave > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 10:53 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Rele

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 19/07/2011 01:21, Gary Gatten wrote: This may get me flamed (probably will) but I'm wondering what the relationship is between FreeBSD and PC-BSD? PERHAPS if they were to somehow join forces, share development load, etc. and "unify" the FreeBSD offerings under one roof; ie: PC-BSD and SE

RE: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

This may get me flamed (probably will) but I'm wondering what the relationship is between FreeBSD and PC-BSD? PERHAPS if they were to somehow join forces, share development load, etc. and "unify" the FreeBSD offerings under one roof; ie: PC-BSD and SERVER-BSD. I believe several flavors of Li

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > We are pleased to announce a call for project proposals. > We will accept proposals until February 15th. Please > read Project Proposal Procedures to find out what > needs to be included in your proposal. > *end quote* > > Is this not what you want? This seems to be a

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 18/07/2011 22:22, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:44:15 -0500 Gary Gatten articulated: I've always been curious why "Linux" seemed to take off so fast when other FOSS / non Winblow$ OS's were available for some time with not much traction; OS/2, BeOS, *nix with X11, etc. Not just on t

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 07/18/2011 01:32 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On July 18, 2011 2:44:15 PM -0500 Gary Gatten wrote: I've always been curious why "Linux" seemed to take off so fast when other FOSS / non Winblow$ OS's were available for some time with not much traction; OS/2, BeOS, *nix with X11, etc. Not

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:32:25 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > In short, some people chase the newest shiniest thing. Others prefer to > stick with what works. Often, the newest shiniest folks, after they've > gained some wisdom, move to the other camp. So you could well see a > resurgence of BSD

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:22:45 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:44:15 -0500 > Gary Gatten articulated: > > > > > > > I've always been curious why "Linux" seemed to take off so fast when > > other FOSS / non Winblow$ OS's were available for some time with not > > much traction; OS/2, Be

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 07/17/2011 04:10, Jerry wrote: While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather interesting post this morning. "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore" <http://bsd.slashdot.org/stor

RE: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

--On July 18, 2011 2:44:15 PM -0500 Gary Gatten wrote: I've always been curious why "Linux" seemed to take off so fast when other FOSS / non Winblow$ OS's were available for some time with not much traction; OS/2, BeOS, *nix with X11, etc. Not just on the desktop, but servers as well. "Supp

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:48:46 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:58:08 +0200 > Polytropon articulated: > > > Here the circle closes: Without STANDARDS, you wouldn't > > be able to view the digital pictures you took with a > > camera 10 years ago because the manufacturer decided > > to use

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:44:15 -0500 Gary Gatten articulated: > > > I've always been curious why "Linux" seemed to take off so fast when > other FOSS / non Winblow$ OS's were available for some time with not > much traction; OS/2, BeOS, *nix with X11, etc. > > Not just on the desktop, but servers

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:58:08 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > Here the circle closes: Without STANDARDS, you wouldn't > be able to view the digital pictures you took with a > camera 10 years ago because the manufacturer decided > to use a proprietary image format without any documentation, > as you

RE: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

I've always been curious why "Linux" seemed to take off so fast when other FOSS / non Winblow$ OS's were available for some time with not much traction; OS/2, BeOS, *nix with X11, etc. Not just on the desktop, but servers as well. "Supported" versions of Linux such as RHEL, Suse, etc. seem t

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

bsd-questions@freebsd.org BT> Sent: Mon, July 18, 2011 9:05:47 AM BT> Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore BT> BT> Joshua Isom wrote: BT> > On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: BT> > > On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergstr??m wrote: B

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

From: "per...@pluto.rain.com" To: jri...@gmail.com; cbergst...@pathscale.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Mon, July 18, 2011 9:05:47 AM Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore Joshua Isom wrote: > On 7/17/2011 6

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

> Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:00:49 +0200 > From: Jerome Herman > Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <4e242071.9050...@dichotomia.fr> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-88

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of > juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather > interesting post this morning. > > "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore" > > <http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/11/07/16/

Re: [freebsd-questions] Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 18/07/2011 19:18, Adam Vande More wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Howard Jones > wrote: On 18/07/2011 11:14, Gour-Gadadhara Dasa wrote: Interesting - I'm in the process of switching our FreeBSD servers to Linux (Debian and CentOS), to get away fro

Re: [freebsd-questions] Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Howard Jones wrote: > On 18/07/2011 11:14, Gour-Gadadhara Dasa wrote: > > Interesting - I'm in the process of switching our FreeBSD servers to > Linux (Debian and CentOS), to get away from the packaging/ports mess :-) > I've been spoilt by apt-get and yum and firs

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 07/18/2011 06:50 AM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > The issue your talking about is actually caused by a fundamental flaw > in *ALL* pure open source projects namely in return for the freedom to > look at the code and stuff we give up market forces. Perhaps the benefits inherent in enriching the globa

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:10:30 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:51:55 +0100 > Frank Shute articulated: > > > I like Jerry's proposal. The FreeBSD Foundation should organise their > > donations page so that you can donate to various different areas of > > development like TUG do: > > > >

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:51:55 +0100 Frank Shute articulated: > I like Jerry's proposal. The FreeBSD Foundation should organise their > donations page so that you can donate to various different areas of > development like TUG do: > > https://www.tug.org/donate.html > > It should be at least split

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Quoth per...@pluto.rain.com on Monday, 18 July 2011: > Joshua Isom wrote: > > On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > > > On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergstr??m wrote: > > >> I hope gnome does [go Linux-only].. Maybe then more > > >> people would forget about it and focus on making KDE

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:57:59 -0400, Jerry wrote: > There are so many fundamental problems with the "standards" concept. > For starters it limits or prevents basic product improvement or > development. It the wireless "A" protocol were to have been made a > standard then improvement on its deficienc

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 01:49:03PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 07:30:00 -0400, Jerry wrote: > > I suggested several years ago, and I will re-suggest that FreeBSD start > > a program that would allow programmers to be paid to write code that > > either the regular contributors d

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:49:03 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 07:30:00 -0400, Jerry wrote: > > I suggested several years ago, and I will re-suggest that FreeBSD > > start a program that would allow programmers to be paid to write > > code that either the regular contributors do

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Hey Mr(s) freebsd-questions show some good to me! 2011/07/18 07:50:41 -0400 Aryeh Friedman => To FreeBSD : AF> > version number every 18 months +/-. I have two new laptops ion front of AF> > me that I cannot use FBSD on simply because they don't support the AF> > wireless (N class obviously) ins

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 07:01:29PM +0700, "C. Bergstr??m" wrote: > On 07/18/11 06:30 PM, Jerry wrote: > >I suggested several years ago, and I will re-suggest that FreeBSD start > >a program that would allow programmers to be paid to write code that > >either the regular contributors do not want to

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Em Seg, 2011-07-18 às 07:30 -0400, Jerry escreveu: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:47:24 +0700 > C. Bergström articulated: > > > I wish people would spend as much time solving problems in *BSD as > > they do trying to defend an irrelevant OS ;) > > Personally, I wish they would spend more time in devel

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 07:30:00AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > I suggested several years ago, and I will re-suggest that FreeBSD start > a program that would allow programmers to be paid to write code that > either the regular contributors do not want to write or are not capable > of writing. Other OS'

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 07:30:00AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > I suggested several years ago, and I will re-suggest that FreeBSD start > a program that would allow programmers to be paid to write code that > either the regular contributors do not want to write or are not capable > of writing. Other OS'

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 17/07/2011 15:02, "C. Bergström" wrote: On 07/17/11 07:43 PM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: Op 17-7-2011 14:17 schreef Subbsd: community decreases. It is a pity that many developers of FreeBSD have left in Apple, the small part works over {NET,OPEN,DRAGONFLY}.BSD but as a whole it already absolute

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Just a side note I am the managing partner in a software development firm and they *ONLY* reason we have not released the majority of our internal lib is because we are essentially giving something of huge value (to us) up for nothing in return but if there was money involved to compensate for the

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 07/18/11 06:30 PM, Jerry wrote: I suggested several years ago, and I will re-suggest that FreeBSD start a program that would allow programmers to be paid to write code that either the regular contributors do not want to write or are not capable of writing. Like a bounties page? (If such a t

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:47:24 +0700 > C. Bergström articulated: > >> I wish people would spend as much time solving problems in *BSD as >> they do trying to defend an irrelevant OS ;) > > Personally, I wish they would spend more time in developing ful

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 07:30:00 -0400, Jerry wrote: > I suggested several years ago, and I will re-suggest that FreeBSD start > a program that would allow programmers to be paid to write code that > either the regular contributors do not want to write or are not capable > of writing. Other OS's are cu

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:47:24 +0700 C. Bergström articulated: > I wish people would spend as much time solving problems in *BSD as > they do trying to defend an irrelevant OS ;) Personally, I wish they would spend more time in developing fully functional wireless drivers as opposed to simply bumpi

Re: [freebsd-questions] Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 18/07/2011 11:14, Gour-Gadadhara Dasa wrote: > I'm the one...using Linux since '99 (SuSE, Gentoo,Arch) and moved to > PCBSD-9.0 some months ago. I'm *very* happy and cannot believe how > little time I spend doing admin work 'cause the OS 'just works'. > > Otoh, Linux was saga with *constant* twe

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Hey Mr(s) freebsd-questions show some good to me! 2011/07/18 03:49:59 -0500 Adam Vande More => To C. Bergstr?m : AVM> We all wish a lot of things. One of mine would be that people shouldn't AVM> have strong opinions on subjects they know little to nothing about. It's about me too, but I'm inter

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:05:41 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > And furthermore, I've found some Linux users migrating > AWAY from Linux, using FreeBSD instead. How can this be > combined with Poettering's claim? I'm the one...using Linux since '99 (SuSE, Gentoo,Arch) and moved to PCBSD-9.0 some months a

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

2011/7/18 "C. Bergström" > > One of those links gives a 404 on the root domain Works for me. > and the other on the pricing page > (http://www.reliacloud.com/**pricing/ > ) > Not sure where you got that link. Use the menu. > I'm not sure how serious th

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 07/18/11 03:02 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Outback Dingowrote: Im pretty sure they are only XEN based and not "cloud" based per se, as there appears to be no elasticity on demand, Granted RootBSD is nice but on demand expansion of memory, cpu and disk under

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

e they are stable, secure and functional! On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 07:10:59AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of > juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather > interesting post this morning. > > "Lennart

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 01:51:19 -0500, Joshua Isom wrote: > On 7/18/2011 8:05 AM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > Joshua Isom wrote: > >> On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > >>> On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergstr??m wrote: > I hope gnome does [go Linux-only].. Maybe then more >

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > Im pretty sure they are only XEN based and not "cloud" based per se, as > there appears to be no elasticity on demand, Granted RootBSD is nice > but on demand expansion of memory, cpu and disk under ones control is more > what i would descr

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 07:10:59AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of > juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather > interesting post this morning. > > "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Rel

Fwd: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

-- Forwarded message -- From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:16 AM Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore To: per...@pluto.rain.com That is the approach I am taking... RS's recommendation was we make a disk image to overwrite the exis

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Outback Dingo wrote: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Adam Vande More > wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Outback Dingo > > wrote: > >> ... Name one cloud provider providing FreeBSD 8x or 9X to run > >> as instances. I know of one coming... question is are there > >> others > >

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 7/18/2011 8:05 AM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Joshua Isom wrote: On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergstr??m wrote: I hope gnome does [go Linux-only].. Maybe then more people would forget about it and focus on making KDE better ;) ... What ab

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Joshua Isom wrote: > On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > > On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergstr??m wrote: > >> I hope gnome does [go Linux-only].. Maybe then more > >> people would forget about it and focus on making KDE better ;) ... > What about enlightenment? For us old-timers :)

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I am working on making a general purpose image for XEN (specifically for rack space but since it is a common framework attempting to make it vendor neutral) On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Outback Dingo wrote: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Adam Vande More > wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 17, 20

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On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > >> and cloud computing instances anyway, Name one cloud provider providing >> FreeBSD 8x or 9X >> to run as instances. I know of one coming... question is are there >> others >> >

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On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > and cloud computing instances anyway, Name one cloud provider providing > FreeBSD 8x or 9X > to run as instances. I know of one coming... question is are there > others > There are plenty already. Rootbsd for one, among others. Also th

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On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergström wrote: In the specific case about Gnome - really if you care so much then you can submit patches and contribute. If nobody is willing to do the work (scratch the itch) then ultimately it really doesn't matter.

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On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergström wrote: > In the specific case about Gnome - really if you care so much then you > can submit patches and contribute. If nobody is willing to do the work > (scratch the itch) then ultimately it really doesn't matter. > > I hope gnome does do this.. Ma

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> > The FreeBSD pieces work better. Does Linux have some advantages? Yes. Does > FreeBSD have some deficiencies? Yes. > > There, I said it. I'm over it now. > > ++1 I completely agree, as a server OS FreeBSD hands down rocks The only reason i can see netcraft making suh states is because of virtual

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2011/7/17 "C. Bergström" : >  On 07/17/11 07:24 PM, Fernando Apesteguía wrote: >> >> However, what worries me is how influential he is in some open source >> projects. He suggested that Gnome should be Linux specific because >> trying to keep compatibility with other UNIX systems (BSD for example)

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, Jerry wrote: While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather interesting post this morning. "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore" <http://bsd.slashdot.

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--As of July 17, 2011 8:13:13 PM +0700, "C. Bergström" is alleged to have said: 1) Why care about *BSD as a desktop? 2) Why care about *BSD as a workstation? (Which I see as a next level in stability/usability beyond a toy "desktop") --As for the rest, it is mine. Because it is easier to get

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On 07/17/11 07:24 PM, Fernando Apesteguía wrote: However, what worries me is how influential he is in some open source projects. He suggested that Gnome should be Linux specific because trying to keep compatibility with other UNIX systems (BSD for example) holds them from going further in the d

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

On 07/17/11 07:43 PM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: Op 17-7-2011 14:17 schreef Subbsd: community decreases. It is a pity that many developers of FreeBSD have left in Apple, the small part works over {NET,OPEN,DRAGONFLY}.BSD but as a whole it already absolutely small small groups of people. And do you

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On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Jerry wrote: > While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of > juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather > interesting post this morning. > > "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore"

Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

Op 17-7-2011 14:17 schreef Subbsd: community decreases. It is a pity that many developers of FreeBSD have left in Apple, the small part works over {NET,OPEN,DRAGONFLY}.BSD but as a whole it already absolutely small small groups of people. And do you feel this will be the end of FreeBSD?

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Hi All of us know that in many cases BSD do not concede technically Linux. However is the fact. The quantity of the companies using FreeBSD catastrophically decreases! In what a problem? As I see one of popularization's problems - there is no information on innovations (DTRACE, ccTCP, VIMAGE, HAST

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On 17.07.2011 13:10, Jerry wrote: > While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of > juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather > interesting post this morning. > > "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore" > >

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Hi, On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:10:59 -0400 Jerry wrote: J> "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore" J> J> <http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/11/07/16/0020243/Lennart-Poettering-BSD-Isnt-Relevant-Anymore> J> J> Interestingly enough, a great deal of it is

Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather interesting post this morning. "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore" <http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/11/07/16/0020243/Lennart-Poettering

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