> Only the Java Cryptography Extension is unavailable as source. More info
> is of course available on the FreeBSD Java mailing list.
So why would anyone trust it?
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Ted Mittelstaedt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050107 17:37]:
> David Gerard
> > Ted Mittelstaedt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050106 06:29]:
> > > It's of course quite legal for end users to download the JDK directly
> > > from Sun and compile it on FreeBSD themselves and then use it.
> > The main problem with
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Gerard
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:35 AM
> To: Paul Krill; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
>
>
> Ted Mit
On 2005-01-06 21:05, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dick Davies writes:
> DD> The phrase 'Java is the COBOL of the nineties' springs to mind
>
> At least COBOL served a useful purpose (and still does).
I probably dislike Java more than you do, but I also find it hard to
believe
Dick Davies writes:
DD> The phrase 'Java is the COBOL of the nineties' springs to mind
At least COBOL served a useful purpose (and still does).
--
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Ted Mittelstaedt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050106 18:26]:
> Name of the game with commercialized technology which is filled with example
> after
> of example of second and 3rd rater products that win the market from 1st
> rater
> products merely because their marketing is better. Let's see, in automot
Anthony Atkielski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050106 12:53]:
> Tom Vilot writes:
> TV> I prefer to use just about any other tool (except, of course, for
> TV> JSP/.NET, etc). Python, Perl, ... any other tool will do the jobs I
> TV> need done and I can avoid the sluggishness of Java, the licensing
> TV>
Ted Mittelstaedt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050106 06:29]:
> It's of course quite legal for end users to download the JDK directly
> from Sun and compile it on FreeBSD themselves and then use it.
The main problem with this approach is that it requires a ridiculous amount
of jumping through hoops - f
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:53:18AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Tom Vilot writes:
>
> TV> I prefer to use just about any other tool (except, of course, for
> TV> JSP/.NET, etc). Python, Perl, ... any other tool will do the jobs I
> TV> need done and I can avoid the sluggishness of Java, the l
* Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0125 07:25]:
>
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dick Davies
> >
> > I don't think it does cost the Foundation nothing, that's the
> > trouble. You spend years jumping through hoops to get the certification (the
> > only benefit of which is it pleases
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dick Davies
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:12 PM
> To: FreeBSD Questions
> Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
>
> > If FreeBSD can get a current bin
* Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0157 06:57]:
> > Tom Vilot writes:
> > I tend to agree. Are people still using Java?
> Keep in mind that Sun's main Java push was into micro-code for embedded
> devices, that is why Java was written in the first place.
And somehow this mutated into J2EE.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:53 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
>
>
> Tom Vilot wr
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
I tend to agree. Are people still using Java?
Yeah, I think so . strange as it seems to me.
Perl seems to do just about everything.
Agreed. OTOH, Perl is quite idiomatic, and that can be a real hurdle.
Plus, there are so *many* ways to do things in Perl, that it ca
Tom Vilot writes:
TV> I prefer to use just about any other tool (except, of course, for
TV> JSP/.NET, etc). Python, Perl, ... any other tool will do the jobs I
TV> need done and I can avoid the sluggishness of Java, the licensing
TV> ambiguities, and the dependence on a company that is *not* a
TV>
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:00:47PM -0700, Tom Vilot wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> >Tom,
> >
> > Have you tried any of the alternative implementations of Java?
> >Sun's isn't the only one out there.
> >
>
> I have.
>
> I'm sorry, I am mostly venting my frustration with Java as a language,
ward to seeing your article in Infoworld!
Ted
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From: Paul Krill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jorn Argelo; Joshua
Lokken
Subject: RE: Sun revo
In a message dated 1/5/05 1:53:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"This is Paul Krill of Infoworld magazine. I would like to speak with
someone at FreeBSD regarding issues with Sun. I am at 415-978-3228 or
email me with a number where I can call you. Thanks. "
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So so
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Tom,
Have you tried any of the alternative implementations of Java?
Sun's isn't the only one out there.
I have.
I'm sorry, I am mostly venting my frustration with Java as a language,
Sun as a company, and J2EE as a hugely bloated and over-architected
solution in dire need
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> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> > I think there is a story there for you but more along the lines of:
> >"Sun's wishy-washy licensing terms drivin
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
I think there is a story there for you but more along the lines of:
"Sun's wishy-washy licensing terms driving people away from Java"
Agreed.
Sun has screwed up the licensing of Java from the start. Their deal with
Microsoft early on made that clear to me.
I prefer to use
;,
> > > freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >cc:
> > >Subject:Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:53:07 -0800, Paul Krill wrote
> > > > This is Paul
On 01/05/05 11:21 AM, Kris Kennaway sat at the `puter and typed:
> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:13:06AM -0800, Paul Krill wrote:
> > Do you have any contact information as to who I would speak to at
> > FreeBSDfoundation? Thanks.
>
> Whoever responds to your mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) Putting
"Jorn Argelo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Subject:RE: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
Hi Paul,
Hey, good luck to you! The basic root of the problem as I understand
it is that Sun license for the JDK 1.3 originally prevented redistribution
o
Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:14 AM
> To: Joshua Lokken
> Cc: Jorn Argelo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
>
>
> I am a writer with Infoworld magazine and would like to speak
> with someone
> at FreeBSD regar
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:13:06AM -0800, Paul Krill wrote:
> Do you have any contact information as to who I would speak to at
> FreeBSDfoundation? Thanks.
Whoever responds to your mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) Putting
on my telepathy beanie, it could be Robert Watson.
Kris
pgpa33d6trPNs.p
>, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:01:22 -0800, Paul Krill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I was doing some browsing on the Web, looking for something else, and
> bumped into this. It
Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:53:07AM -0800, Paul Krill wrote:
> This is Paul Krill of Infoworld magazine. I would like to speak with
> someone at FreeBSD regarding issues with Sun. I am at 415-978-3228 or
> email me with a number where I can ca
> > This is Paul Krill of Infoworld magazine. I would like to speak with
> > someone at FreeBSD regarding issues with Sun. I am at 415-978-3228
> > or email me with a number where I can call you. Thanks.
> Where did you get this information?
http://www.javalobby.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=16
know.
> >
> > "Jorn Argelo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 01/05/2005 10:59 AM
> >
> >To: Paul Krill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >cc:
> >Subject:Re: Sun r
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:53:07AM -0800, Paul Krill wrote:
> This is Paul Krill of Infoworld magazine. I would like to speak with
> someone at FreeBSD regarding issues with Sun. I am at 415-978-3228 or
> email me with a number where I can call you. Thanks.
Try talking to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - th
005 10:59 AM
>
>To: Paul Krill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> cc:
> Subject:Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:53:07 -0800, Paul Krill wrote
> > This is
.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:53:07 -0800, Paul Krill wrote
> This is Paul Krill of Infoworld magazine. I would like to speak with
> someone at FreeBSD regarding issues with Sun. I am at 415-978-3228
>
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:53:07 -0800, Paul Krill wrote
> This is Paul Krill of Infoworld magazine. I would like to speak with
> someone at FreeBSD regarding issues with Sun. I am at 415-978-3228
> or email me with a number where I can call you. Thanks.
Where did you get this information?
_
This is Paul Krill of Infoworld magazine. I would like to speak with
someone at FreeBSD regarding issues with Sun. I am at 415-978-3228 or
email me with a number where I can call you. Thanks.
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