Re: top-posting 'condescending asshats' (to use Ryan Coleman's description of himself)

2011-08-03 Thread Jon Radel
On 8/3/11 3:01 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: *ANY* situation where the elapsed time between messages is longer than the recipient's ability to retain the 'frame of reference' (i.e., the previous message) in memory, it _is_ harder for the recipient of the message to follow top-posted content than int

top-posting 'condescending asshats' (to use Ryan Coleman's description of himself)

2011-08-03 Thread Robert Bonomi
> Subject: Re: printing to Kyocera FS-1030D > From: Ryan Coleman > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:22:51 -0500 > > Screw off. I'd suggest that you "take your own advice', except for the fact that you probably don't know *how*. >Top posting is a

Re: Top Posting Mania [was Re: FreeBSD 7.O compiled code is very slow]

2009-02-22 Thread Chad Perrin
material when using synthesized speech to read an > email. We therefore favor top posting as a rule, though some of us > try to adhere to a particular list's preferences. :-) This is why one should trim quotes -- so there's just enough there to provide the needed context, rathe

Re: Top Posting Mania [was Re: FreeBSD 7.O compiled code is very slow]

2009-02-22 Thread Doug Lee
> > been converted to the Micro$oft Outlock-trained style of top-posting, > > > including tail-quoting all sorts irrelevant and repeated trailers etc, > > > after years of your (almost too- :) concise postings. > > > > well, sorry, but i don't use M$ Outl

Re: Top Posting Mania [was Re: FreeBSD 7.O compiled code is very slow]

2009-02-19 Thread Mel
On Thursday 19 February 2009 05:06:15 GESBBB wrote: > 4) The insertion of legally unenforceable disclaimers, etc. is another big > waste of space. And not always under the control of sender, through the creative use of outgoing mailfilters. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they s

Re: Top Posting Mania [was Re: FreeBSD 7.O compiled code is very slow]

2009-02-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
5) The use of HTML mail in a mail forum is absurd; however, it is commonly done (GMail). this is a problem - as GMail and similar things itself. 6) One of my 'Pet Peeves": Morons who change a thread's subject rather than start a new one. was me sometimes by accident, but i do care now not do

Re: Top Posting Mania [was Re: FreeBSD 7.O compiled code is very slow]

2009-02-19 Thread GESBBB
> From: Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au [snip]   > Woj, I'm really surprised that you, of all people, seem lately to have > been converted to the Micro$oft Outlock-trained style of top-posting, > including tail-quoting all sorts irrelevant and repeated trailers etc, >

Re: Top Posting Mania [was Re: FreeBSD 7.O compiled code is very slow]

2009-02-18 Thread Ian Smith
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Kailash Kailash wrote: > > > > Woj, I'm really surprised that you, of all people, seem lately to have > > been converted to the Micro$oft Outlock-trained style of top-posting, &

Re: Top Posting Mania [was Re: FreeBSD 7.O compiled code is very slow]

2009-02-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar
> > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Kailash Kailash wrote: Woj, I'm really surprised that you, of all people, seem lately to have been converted to the Micro$oft Outlock-trained style of top-posting, including tail-quoting all sorts irrelevant and repeated trailers etc, after years of your

Top Posting Mania [was Re: FreeBSD 7.O compiled code is very slow]

2009-02-18 Thread Ian Smith
d-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.O compiled code is very slow > > > > looks like they "improved" gcc. you can install older from ports. > > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Kailash Kailash wrote: Woj, I'm really surprised that you, of all pe

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-26 Thread Gerard Seibert
> On November 25, 2007 at 09:49PM Giorgos Keramidas wrote: [ snip ] > The footnote was easy to understand after a quick Wikipedia search: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting > > Quoting the text (so list members don't have to actually repeat the >

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-25 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, Brent Jones wrote: Sorry if this is a bit off topic for this list, but it seem to be a comment that comes up very regularly; "please don't top post..." at least, you make me understand what this means. Yes, it is stupid to avoid top posting as they save a lot of time as

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-25 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
xt Over, Fullquote Under; the most common format of top > posted replies The footnote was easy to understand after a quick Wikipedia search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting Quoting the text (so list members don't have to actually repeat the search): Some maintain

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-25 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 06:56:15PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > I think it's kind of a chicken-and-egg problem: we don't really know for > sure whether TOFU[1] posting spurred much of the rise of illiteracy or > the increase of relative illiteracy on the Internet led to an increase in > TOFU post

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-25 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 10:22:50AM +1300, Brent Jones wrote: I find that top-posting really makes it difficult to follow the flow of a discussion. I especially find it difficult when someone engages in TOFU [1] posting, because when I try to check context there's a gawdawful lengthy bl

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-25 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 10:48:38AM -0800, David Benfell wrote: > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:31:51 -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > > We have adults who can't be bothered to tell the difference > > between lose and loose in writing. Wonderful things encouraged by people > > justifying their lazy

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-25 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 02:52:06PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > It should be easy in mailing-lists to block mails of top-posters. It would also probably be prone to "false positive" errors. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] McCloctnick the Lucid: "The first rule of ma

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-24 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-11-23 21:58, David Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Nov 22, 2007, at 9:10 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> Understood from that perspective, perhaps you can see why people >> might dislike top posting. > > Many here (and elsewhere) will not reply to a top-poster

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-23 Thread David Kelly
On Nov 22, 2007, at 9:10 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: Understood from that perspective, perhaps you can see why people might dislike top posting. When asking a favor of another, a wise man would not offend his potential helper. Many here (and elsewhere) will not reply to a top- poster. You

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-23 Thread Bart Silverstrim
David Benfell wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:31:51 -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote: We have adults who can't be bothered to tell the difference between lose and loose in writing. Wonderful things encouraged by people justifying their lazy writing styles. This might be slightly unfair. A larg

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-23 Thread David Benfell
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:31:51 -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > We have adults who can't be bothered to tell the difference > between lose and loose in writing. Wonderful things encouraged by people > justifying their lazy writing styles. > This might be slightly unfair. A large proportion of

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-23 Thread Bart Silverstrim
Robert Huff wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: You're right in that top posting is a savings in effort. I disagree. It's not a savings, it's a transfer - moves the work from the poster to the reader. Okay, I'll qualify my statement by saying it is a time a

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-23 Thread Robert Huff
Bart Silverstrim writes: > You're right in that top posting is a savings in effort. I disagree. It's not a savings, it's a transfer - moves the work from the poster to the reader. Make that "readers", because /every single reader/ has been imp

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-23 Thread Bart Silverstrim
Brent Jones wrote: I for one prefer top posting, as usually I have read a particular thread enough times that I like to cut to the chase and read the new input without having to scroll down, sometimes navigating an endless nesting of >>> For me, reading through top posted replies s

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-23 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, November 23, 2007 a las 08:05:59AM -0500, Bill Moran escribió: > There are three reasons _not_ to top-post and to post inline, trimming > your response intelligently: > > 1) Top-posting does not scale up to large, complex emails. It produces >incomprehensible

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-23 Thread Bill Moran
"Brent Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I for one prefer top posting, as usually I have read a particular thread > enough times that I like to cut to the chase and read the new input > without having to scroll down, sometimes navigating an endless nesting >

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-23 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
"Brent Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I for one prefer top posting, as usually I have read a particular thread http://www.asciiartfarts.com/20011201.html HTH, HAND -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ ht

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-22 Thread RW
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:22:50 +1300 "Brent Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry if this is a bit off topic for this list, but it seem to be a > comment that comes up very regularly; "please don't top post..." > > I for one prefer top posting, a

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-22 Thread David Kelly
(Moved to freebsd-chat where it belongs.) On Nov 22, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Brent Jones wrote: I for one prefer top posting, as usually I have read a particular thread enough times that I like to cut to the chase and read the new input without having to scroll down, sometimes navigating an

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-22 Thread David Benfell
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:22:50 +1300, Brent Jones wrote: > Sorry if this is a bit off topic for this list, but it seem to be a > comment that comes up very regularly; "please don't top post..." > > I for one prefer top posting This has been hashed out on so many technica

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-22 Thread Paul Schmehl
Understood from that perspective, perhaps you can see why people might dislike top posting. Rather, your entire response is at the top, separating itself from the context to which it refers. Furthermore, it can be very confusing to understand precisely what you're referring to, because

Re: top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-22 Thread Pollywog
On Thursday 22 November 2007 21:22:50 Brent Jones wrote: > Sorry if this is a bit off topic for this list, but it seem to be a > comment that comes up very regularly; "please don't top post..." > > I for one prefer top posting, as usually I have read a particular thread

top posting (off-topic)

2007-11-22 Thread Brent Jones
Sorry if this is a bit off topic for this list, but it seem to be a comment that comes up very regularly; "please don't top post..." I for one prefer top posting, as usually I have read a particular thread enough times that I like to cut to the chase and read the new input wi

Re: cleaning out log files? [top-posting corrected]

2006-11-26 Thread Robert Huff
Oliver Iberien writes: > It turns out there was a core dump I had not noticed. I had the > idea of running ls -SlhR /var/ > /.../var_contents.txt and > looking for anything huge. Try this instead: du /var | sort -nr | head -n 25 | sendmail

Re: cleaning out log files? [top-posting corrected]

2006-11-26 Thread Oliver Iberien
On Sunday 26 November 2006 10:54, you wrote: > Check "/etc/newsyslog.conf" > All log-files you like to have rotated, should be mentioned there. > > System owned logs are in there per default. > > "du -k /var" will tell you where your space is being "consumed". > Maybe your "/var/mail/root" is growi

"Top posting" (was: Test messages to -questions)

2005-07-03 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
about email that annoys me is spam. While I'm a >> subscriber to freebsd-questions, top posting, incomplete >> questions, inflammatory commentary, etc. is just the price I pay >> for getting a steady stream of "Aha's," and hardly seems worth the >> effo

Re: Top Posting (was: [Freebsd 5.4 not finding my NIC])

2005-05-28 Thread Vizion
On Saturday 28 May 2005 09:28, the author Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC contributed to the dialogue on Re: Top Posting (was: [Freebsd 5.4 not finding my NIC]): >someone wrote: >>>> Think about the effect of long paragraphs and then having to move >>>> backwards an

Re: Top Posting (was: [Freebsd 5.4 not finding my NIC])

2005-05-28 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
someone wrote: Think about the effect of long paragraphs and then having to move backwards and forwards and you read one paragraph downwards and then are foprced to move upwards to read the subsequent posting Tha means scanning and rescanning. Top posting is neither sensible or

Re: Top Posting (was: [Freebsd 5.4 not finding my NIC])

2005-05-28 Thread Vizion
On Saturday 28 May 2005 06:42, the author [EMAIL PROTECTED] contributed to the dialogue on RE: Top Posting (was: [Freebsd 5.4 not finding my NIC]): > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vizion >Sent: Friday, May 27, 2

Re: Top Posting (was: [Freebsd 5.4 not finding my NIC])

2005-05-28 Thread Jerry McAllister
> > > hay enough of this BS about top posting. You have to wake up to the > fact there are many people who belong to this list who are not UNIX > bigots. No top posting has been the rule for the list for a long time - since the beginning as far as I know.The rule has not

RE: Top Posting (was: [Freebsd 5.4 not finding my NIC])

2005-05-28 Thread bob
hay enough of this BS about top posting. You have to wake up to the fact there are many people who belong to this list who are not UNIX bigots. Us win/outlook people have just as much right to post as the rest of you. And more to the point who the hell pointed this new comer of just 10 days

Top Posting (was: [Freebsd 5.4 not finding my NIC])

2005-05-28 Thread Vizion
say. >> If you come to a mail list, like this, and want help then those who might >> be otherwise be willing to help might be discouraged and ignore you. >> Forcing people to read your stuff out of sequence is really quite rude. . >> , >> Think about long parag

OT: Top posting [ was Re: Hello List ]

2004-11-10 Thread Erik Norgaard
Ben Haysom wrote: > What is top posting? Top posting is when you write your reply _above_ what you are replying to. This paragraph was posted _below_ the question I respond to. Among other good practices are: Remove what you are not responding to. Subject should reflect the content of

OT: Top posting [Re: Hello List]

2004-11-10 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen
[Ben Haysom, 2004-11-10] > What is top posting? A: Because it reverses the natural flow of the conversation? Q: Why is that bad? A: To write your raply on top of the original message Q: What is top posting? (I find that qouting in a resonable manner is far more important than wheter

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-12 Thread Peter Risdon
Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Tuesday, 10 August 2004 at 14:58:02 -0700, Kevin Stevens wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, JJB wrote: The fact of life is all the Unix mail clients adhere to the Unix email format of posting the reply to the bottom of the email while indenting with a quote character. Not tr

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-11 Thread Gerard Seibert
On Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:24:24 PM Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:45:13 -0400 |>From: Bart Silverstrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |>Subject: Re: Top posting solution |>To: FreeBSD Questions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |>Message-ID: &l

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-11 Thread Danny
ail clients adhere to the Unix > email format of posting the reply to the bottom of the email while > indenting with a quote character. > > Top posting came along when MS/Windows came on the market with their > own email clients: Outlook express which is the email client built > i

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-11 Thread Joachim Dagerot
written visually and if I want to skip | it, I can; if I'm reading a conversation, I can easily tell what was | written and at what point. | | > Or do | > you do it because it's too difficult to write a tidy reply? | | Top posting? Or inline posting? I inline because it&#

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-11 Thread Bart Silverstrim
and at what point. Or do you do it because it's too difficult to write a tidy reply? Top posting? Or inline posting? I inline because it's more like a conversation style. It's PRECISE. I know exactly what point is being referred to, and I would think that ambiguity is somet

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-11 Thread Mark Ovens
Chris wrote: Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Tuesday, August 10, 2004 05:45:58 PM -0400 JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Over the years I have seen many posts on this list where Unix hard liners complain about people posting their replies to the top of the email messages on this list. The fact of life is

RE: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread JJB
a fix :-( >> >> Giorgos-- it would be reasonable to assume that JJB was using the >> tool he speaks of, only that would not be correct; oe-quotefix >> doesn't work with Outlook itself: >> >> ] From: JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> ] Subject: RE: To

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
JB was using the tool he > speaks of, only that would not be correct; oe-quotefix doesn't work with > Outlook itself: > > ] From: JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ] Subject: RE: Top posting solution > ] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ] X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsof

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Chuck Swiger
ation of Outlook regarding quoting and wrapping the text is clearly visible... it's not a fix :-( Giorgos-- it would be reasonable to assume that JJB was using the tool he speaks of, only that would not be correct; oe-quotefix doesn't work with Outlook itself: ] From: JJB <[EMAIL P

RE: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Eric Crist
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJB > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG > Subject: Top posting solution > > To > all you Unix hard liners, Please instead of > complainin

RE: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Eric Crist
CRAP. HERE WE GO AGAIN. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJB > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG > Subject: Top posting solution > > > Over the years I have seen many po

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
hile > >> indenting with a quote character. > > > > Not true. Pine doesn't, for example. It begins a reply with the > > cursor at the very top of the message body. > > > >> Top posting came along when MS/Windows came on the market with > their

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread David Kelly
On Aug 10, 2004, at 4:58 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, JJB wrote: The fact of life is all the Unix mail clients adhere to the Unix email format of posting the reply to the bottom of the email while indenting with a quote character. Not true. Pine doesn't, for example. It begins a

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread David Kelly
On Aug 10, 2004, at 5:20 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: It would actually be much nicer if people would return to literacy standards that existed, not only in the computer world, before Microsoft came along. I've long given up actively trying to help people write literate mail. I just ignore thei

RE: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Kevin Stevens
facts is irrelevant to how I feel about top posting. > You can nit pick about wording all you want. It still does not detract > from the fact that there is an 'FIX' to change the behavior of > MS/windows top posting. As always, the reader has the chose in how they > want to reply

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Chris
Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Tuesday, August 10, 2004 05:45:58 PM -0400 JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Over the years I have seen many posts on this list where Unix hard liners complain about people posting their replies to the top of the email messages on this list. The fact of life is all the Unix

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
Pine doesn't, for example. It begins a reply with the >> cursor at the very top of the message body. >> >>> Top posting came along when MS/Windows came on the market with > their >>> own email clients: Outlook express which is the email client > built >>&

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Gary
Hi Paul, --On Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:13 PM -0500 Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But I'm trying to think why someone would be posting to a freebsd list from a Windows box Because some of us are working in part on building / servicing a predominantly Windows network during the day

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Tuesday, 10 August 2004 at 14:58:02 -0700, Kevin Stevens wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, JJB wrote: > >> The fact of life is all the Unix mail clients adhere to the Unix >> email format of posting the reply to the bottom of the email while >> indenting with a quote character. > > Not true. Pine d

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Tuesday, August 10, 2004 05:45:58 PM -0400 JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Over the years I have seen many posts on this list where Unix hard liners complain about people posting their replies to the top of the email messages on this list. The fact of life is all the Unix mail clients adhere

RE: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread JJB
or example. It begins a reply with the > cursor at the very top of the message body. > >> Top posting came along when MS/Windows came on the market with their >> own email clients: Outlook express which is the email client built >> into Internet explorer and the MS/Office Ou

Re: Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread Kevin Stevens
he very top of the message body. > Top posting came along when MS/Windows came on the market with their > own email clients: Outlook express which is the email client built > into Internet explorer and the MS/Office Outlook email client. Not true. See above. > There is a little known

Top posting solution

2004-08-10 Thread JJB
indenting with a quote character. Top posting came along when MS/Windows came on the market with their own email clients: Outlook express which is the email client built into Internet explorer and the MS/Office Outlook email client. There is a little known fix for MS/Outlook express and MS/Office

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Alex de Kruijff
On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 12:13:49PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > [Format *not* recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] > > RFC 1855 violation. > > On Saturday, 20 March 2004 at 20:53:18 +0100, Alex de Kruijff wrote: > > So far I only

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.
Rob wrote: As for MUA... My ex-employer (anybody want an IT support/installation engineer in the UK?) decided to move everybody and all our clients to MS Outlook and Exchange. Because "that's what people want". Gotta love PHB's! And that's another topic But not much of one. KDK

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Jerry McAllister
> > > >When you are posting to a list, there is a time lag and a distance that > >needs to be overcome. > >... > > I'm more of a lurker on the questions list, although I chime in when I see > something I can help with. I've been reading this through and I don't > think anybody has pointed

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Rob
At 09:09 22/03/2004 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: When you are posting to a list, there is a time lag and a distance that needs to be overcome. It is similar, but not quite the same as a face to face conversation. Retaining relevant material and interspersing responses comes as close to a con

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Drew Tomlinson
On 3/21/2004 10:26 PM Rob M wrote: Forgive me if I am out of line here. I am new to FreeBSD and this list, I have been using both for about a week now after being with Windows since 3.1. I have always been a top poster and a bottom feeder, I have never known it was a big deal and every enviro

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2004-03-22T02:34:36Z, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm missing something here. Top posting, interleaved posting and bottom > posting are not a function of the MUA, they're a function of the human > making a conscious decisio

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Jerry McAllister
> > Forgive me if I am out of line here. I am new to FreeBSD and this list, I > have been using both for about a week now after being with Windows since 3.1. > I have always been a top poster and a bottom feeder, I have never known it > was a big deal and every environment I have been in has

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Benjamin Lutz
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:40:25 +1030 Greg 'groggy' Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Heh. That's human nature. To quote: > >What is actually happening, I am afraid, is that we all tell each >other and ourselves that software engineering techniques should be >improved considerably, be

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Michael W. Oliver
On 2004-03-21T23:26:47-0700, Rob M wrote: > Forgive me if I am out of line here. I am new to FreeBSD and this list, I > have been using both for about a week now after being with Windows since 3.1. Welcome! > I have always been a top poster and a bottom feeder, I have never known it > was a

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Mar 21, 2004, at 7:35 PM, Lucas Holt wrote: Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster. I don't like when people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. i have to scroll all day. They should, in my opinion, delete extraneous stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Mar 22, 2004, at 00:13, Tony Crockford wrote: At 07:54 on Monday, 22 Mar 2004, Chris Pressey wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:50:14 -0500 "Denny Jodeit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It boils down to a 'When in Rome, do as Romans do' situation. The charter states no top

Re: Top posting

2004-03-22 Thread Tony Crockford
At 07:54 on Monday, 22 Mar 2004, Chris Pressey wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:50:14 -0500 "Denny Jodeit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It boils down to a 'When in Rome, do as Romans do' situation. The charter states no top posting. I made sure to re-read the list charter wh

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Mar 21, 2004, at 23:31, Rob M wrote: On Sunday 21 March 2004 11:50 pm, Denny Jodeit wrote: It boils down to a 'When in Rome, do as Romans do' situation. The charter states no top posting. I don't think it could be stated or explained any simpler. Reference, please? The F

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Chris Pressey
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:50:14 -0500 "Denny Jodeit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It boils down to a 'When in Rome, do as Romans do' situation. The > charter states no top posting. I made sure to re-read the list charter when this thread started. I couldn't

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Rob M
On Sunday 21 March 2004 11:50 pm, Denny Jodeit wrote: > It boils down to a 'When in Rome, do as Romans do' situation. The charter > states no top posting. I don't think it could be stated or explained any > simpler. And this is why I did not just blurt it all out at the t

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Chris
; > dont get it sometimes so I lurk here and see if there is anything that > > pertains > > to > > > me or I go on the web and find it that way. So far it has worked. > > > > Something struck a chord with me so I need clarification. > > It boils down to a &#x

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Denny Jodeit
ind it that way. So far it has worked. > > Something struck a chord with me so I need clarification. > It boils down to a 'When in Rome, do as Romans do' situation. The charter states no top posting. I don't think it could be stated or explained any simpler. Rules and l

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Rob M
Forgive me if I am out of line here. I am new to FreeBSD and this list, I have been using both for about a week now after being with Windows since 3.1. I have always been a top poster and a bottom feeder, I have never known it was a big deal and every environment I have been in has top posted.

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Eric F Crist
e who don't know much about unix are > perfectly happy to chime in about spelling or top posting, where > expertise is relatively easy to acquire. Pretty soon, the list stops > being about freebsd. On the contrary. I believe there are a lot of people on the list that are very knowledgable

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Gary
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 03:40:25PM +1030 or thereabouts, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 22:54:56 -0500, Michael W. Oliver wrote: > > On 2004-03-21T19:33:58-0600, Gary wrote: > >> --On Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:09 PM -0500 JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> So is there so

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 22:54:56 -0500, Michael W. Oliver wrote: > On 2004-03-21T19:33:58-0600, Gary wrote: >> Hi JJB, >> >> --On Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:09 PM -0500 JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom >>> post? >> >> Outlook

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [snip] >>> I think the main difference between top- and interleaved-posting is >>> one of latency. In an office environment, when you're replying >>> within 2 minutes of receipt of a typi

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Michael W. Oliver
On 2004-03-21T19:33:58-0600, Gary wrote: > Hi JJB, > > --On Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:09 PM -0500 JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom > >post? > > Outlook fix > > OE fix

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Jud
> > I think the main difference between top- and interleaved-posting is > > one of latency. In an office environment, when you're replying > > within 2 minutes of receipt of a typically short message, top > > posting is reasonable. > > Well, I'll concede

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
offers that as an option. I started doing that at work > after my boss explained that interleaved-trimmed posting is difficult to > read. I'm missing something here. Top posting, interleaved posting and bottom posting are not a function of the MUA, they're a function of the human

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Kirk Strauser
ved-trimmed posting is difficult to read. I think the main difference between top- and interleaved-posting is one of latency. In an office environment, when you're replying within 2 minutes of receipt of a typically short message, top posting is reasonable. On Usenet and mailing lists, whe

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 20:44:12 -0500, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > Top posting is irritating. So is scrolling through 20Mb of unedited text > to get to a one line response, which is often "Yes, I've seen this too." > Spelling flames are irritating too. And the m

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Scott Ballantyne
Top posting is irritating. So is scrolling through 20Mb of unedited text to get to a one line response, which is often "Yes, I've seen this too." Spelling flames are irritating too. And the most irritating of all is reading messages on a mailing list which deal only with issue

RE: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Gary
Hi JJB, --On Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:09 PM -0500 JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom post? Outlook fix OE fix -- Gary ___

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Louis LeBlanc
On 03/21/04 08:17 PM, Shaun T. Erickson sat at the `puter and typed: > > ... both top and bottom ... > > All this talk of "top" and "bottom" is making me blush and breathe heavy, > LOL (j/k). :-) ROFL. Thank you dearly. That one comment has just made this whole thread worthwhile! > Perhaps thi

Re: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Long/short syndrome. On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 20:09:17 -0500, JJB wrote: > So unix mail clients bottom post by design and MS/outlook tops > posts by design. No, that's not a question of design: it's the way you use them. >

RE: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread Shaun T. Erickson
> ... both top and bottom ... All this talk of "top" and "bottom" is making me blush and breathe heavy, LOL (j/k). :-) Perhaps this dead horse has been sufficiently beaten, that we can let it Rest In Peace, and move on? :-) -ste ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] m

RE: Top posting

2004-03-21 Thread JJB
So unix mail clients bottom post by design and MS/outlook tops posts by design. So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom post? DO Unix mail clients have some option to config them to top post? SO here we are right back at the starting point. The 2 different groups have to

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