Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-05-02 Thread Bart Silverstrim
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:08 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: John Levine; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam You're making it sound as if greylisting

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-05-02 Thread John L
NO. I'm making it sound like greylisting is NOT the world's answer to stopping spam. It's NOT a miracle cure, it is NOT the last, best hope for peace. Sigh. You might want to read the paper Experiences with Greylisting from the 2005 CEAS conference. It was my original intention to show

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-05-02 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:01 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: John Levine; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam I would disagree on the blacklisting part. I think that a lot

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:40 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Eric Crist; Grant Peel; Christopher Hilton; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam On Apr 29, 2007, at 5:00 AM

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: John Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:31 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Email is not an instant messaging system, no matter how much you want

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kenny Dail Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:18 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam I'm monitoring systems at the ISP I work at. No, it is not life

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-30 Thread cpghost
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 01:16:23AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: The system that would cause problems if it ran greylisting is not MY system. It's the mailserver owned by the cellular company that I am sending to. If they went and installed greylisting it is highly unlikely I could get

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-30 Thread Bart Silverstrim
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:05 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Christopher Hilton; User Questions Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Both of those are assumptions your making

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-30 Thread Bart Silverstrim
with the messages once a week because it's such a hassle but don't seem to mind putting up with one or two spam messages having to be manually deleted out of the inbox. It's also ironic that you are on call 24/7 and can't get away from the electronic tether but say you have a life that can't be bothered

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-30 Thread John Levine
, clickatell.com offers a HTTP POST to SMS gateway quite cheaply, about 10 cents a message at low volumes. Having been dealing with spam for over a decade, I cannot tell you how tired I am of people whining that the world better not implement some effective anti-abuse technique because it would cause

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-30 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Apr 30, 2007, at 4:36 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I don't understand why people are focusing on trying to redesign the monitoring system I'm using. Don't you have any imagination at all? The point was that there are legitimate situations where the delays introduced by greylisting are a

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-30 Thread Bart Silverstrim
need their email as an instant messaging service. The possibility of establishing a domain into a whitelist or testing a connection and notification system periodically, which would put his domain into their imaginary whitelist, is simply too inconvenient, unlike the deletion of spam

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-29 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Sam Lawrance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:59 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Email is not an instant messaging system, no matter how much you want

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-29 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:01 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Eric Crist; Grant Peel; Christopher Hilton; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam On Apr 28, 2007, at 5:25

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-29 Thread Bart Silverstrim
-- Was: Anti Spam On Apr 28, 2007, at 5:25 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:58 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Christopher Hilton; Grant Peel; Eric Crist; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-29 Thread Eric Crist
On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:00 AMApr 29, 2007, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: If the monitoring system notices something down, I have to know about it within a few minutes. I cannot wait for the mailserver that sends the page out to retry sending the page to the cell carrier's mailserver in an hour.

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-29 Thread John Levine
Email is not an instant messaging system, no matter how much you want it to be one. Cell phone companies won't take pages any other way no matter how much you want them to. This might be a good time to learn about outfits like clickatell.com that provide SMS gateway service. They charge

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-29 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:45 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Sam Lawrance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:59 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Email is not an instant

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-29 Thread Kenny Dail
I'm monitoring systems at the ISP I work at. No, it is not life or death if a feed goes down for 3 hours and a bunch of people cannot download their daily freebsd-questions mailing list fix. At least, I don't think so. But they do. And as their money that buys the ISP's product

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-29 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:05 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Christopher Hilton; User Questions Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Both of those are assumptions your making that are just not true

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-28 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:58 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Christopher Hilton; Grant Peel; Eric Crist; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam On Apr 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-28 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Hilton Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:45 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [snip] When I scan my maillogs

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-28 Thread Sam Lawrance
-- Was: Anti Spam On Apr 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: There are legitimate technical reasons that someone may want their mail to not be greylisted. For example, my cell phone's e-mail address is in our monitoring scripts to page me in the event of a server failure. I would

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-28 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Apr 28, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Hilton Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:45 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Ted

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-28 Thread Bart Silverstrim
-- Was: Anti Spam On Apr 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: There are legitimate technical reasons that someone may want their mail to not be greylisted. For example, my cell phone's e-mail address is in our monitoring scripts to page me in the event of a server failure. I

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-27 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Christopher Sean Hilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:05 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt; User Questions Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [snip...] Greylisting works because many, and I'd like

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-27 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Apr 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: There are legitimate technical reasons that someone may want their mail to not be greylisted. For example, my cell phone's e-mail address is in our monitoring scripts to page me in the event of a server failure. I would be pretty pissed

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-27 Thread Christopher Hilton
so much faith in the delaying, is simply that you aren't getting a lot of spam. I have published e-mail addresses. Without greylisting I got about 1500-2000 mail messages a day to each of them. Greylisting isn't just about delaying. IIRC greylisting is filtering for spam/ham based

Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-26 Thread Christopher Sean Hilton
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [snip...] Greylisting works because many, and I'd like to say most, spam programs never retry message delivery. Actually, no. Greylisting works because it delays the spam injector long enough that the injector will get blacklisted by the time that the greylist opens

Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-25 Thread Christopher Hilton
Just my $0.02. Have you considered adding greylisting. I find the combination of greylisting and Spamassassin with the SA's bayes filter completely handles my spam problem. On my primary MX I use spamd on OpenBSD and on my secondary MX I use spamd on FreeBSD. As a very informal method

RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

2007-04-25 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Hilton Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:25 PM To: Grant Peel Cc: Eric Crist; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Just my $0.02. Have you considered

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-23 Thread Steve Bertrand
Derek Ragona wrote: At 11:43 AM 4/20/2007, Grant Peel wrote: Hi all, I am posting this question here because I know there are alot of ISPs using FreeBSD (including me) and am hoping to get feedback, either directly to me or to the list. We are wrestling (as I am sure many are), with spam

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-22 Thread jdow
the URI-RBLs, dcc and razor2. Third party rules from www.rulesemporium.com are a must are as is the the imageinfo plugin. You could always ask on the spamassassin users list for advice on tuning you setup and get some of the spam you get analysed by those of us running well tuned SA setups so you

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-21 Thread jdow
From: Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I am posting this question here because I know there are alot of ISPs using FreeBSD (including me) and am hoping to get feedback, either directly to me or to the list. We are wrestling (as I am sure many are), with spam. Up until now we have been

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-21 Thread Tom Judge
Grant Peel wrote: Hi all, I am posting this question here because I know there are alot of ISPs using FreeBSD (including me) and am hoping to get feedback, either directly to me or to the list. We are wrestling (as I am sure many are), with spam. Up until now we have been employing

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-21 Thread Grant Peel
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Anti Spam On Apr 20, 2007, at 11:43 AMApr 20, 2007, Grant Peel wrote: Hi all, I am posting this question here because I know there are alot of ISPs using FreeBSD (including me) and am hoping to get feedback, either directly to me

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-21 Thread Martin Hepworth
users list for advice on tuning you setup and get some of the spam you get analysed by those of us running well tuned SA setups so you know which extra rulesets will help. Go on as on the SA users list, we're a friendly bunch and will help you with your problem. -- Martin On 4/20/07, Grant Peel

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-21 Thread Randy Schultz
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Derek Ragona spaketh thusly: -} -}If your volume of mail is 5 per day don't use the baracuda. It won't -}keep up. I think this greatly depends on the model. I've not used the 200 but it certainly is a small box. My experience shows the 600 could easily handle this per

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-21 Thread Jack Raats
Hi Grant, I'm using postfix and a very good sets of pcre rules which takes care of more than 90% of all spam. Spamassassin will do the rest. The only spam I receive is on my postmaster account. Postfix uses greylisting, a set of rbl lists and a pcre rule set op the helo check

Anti Spam

2007-04-20 Thread Grant Peel
Hi all, I am posting this question here because I know there are alot of ISPs using FreeBSD (including me) and am hoping to get feedback, either directly to me or to the list. We are wrestling (as I am sure many are), with spam. Up until now we have been employing Spamassassin locally

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-20 Thread Randy Schultz
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Grant Peel spaketh thusly: -}Hi all, -} -}I am posting this question here because I know there are alot of ISPs using FreeBSD (including me) and am hoping to get feedback, either directly to me or to the list. -} -}We are wrestling (as I am sure many are), with spam. Up

RE: Anti Spam

2007-04-20 Thread Thomas Mullins
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Peel Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:43 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Anti Spam Hi all, I am posting this question here because I know there are alot of ISPs using FreeBSD (including me) and am hoping to get feedback, either directly to me or to the list

RE: Anti Spam

2007-04-20 Thread Philip Hallstrom
Also look into postfix along with policyd-weight (http://www.policyd-weight.org/). That's all I use and I probably get about 2 spam a day... I used to get 40-50... in a nutshell it checks multiple dnsbls and uses a scoring system to block it before you ever get the message body

RE: Anti Spam

2007-04-20 Thread dbetts
I found this article and it helped alot. I rarely have any spam get through. Thee are 2 parts to this so maker sure you goto page 3 and scroll to the bottom of the page for a link to page 2 if you don't want to read this section http://www.crn.com/white-box/188701471?pgno=1 -- Darrell [EMAIL

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-20 Thread Steve Bertrand
Grant Peel wrote: Hi all, I am posting this question here because I know there are alot of ISPs using FreeBSD (including me) and am hoping to get feedback, either directly to me or to the list. We are wrestling (as I am sure many are), with spam. Up until now we have been employing

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-20 Thread Kenny Dail
I am posting this question here because I know there are alot of ISPs using FreeBSD (including me) and am hoping to get feedback, either directly to me or to the list. I work for an ISP with a mix of freeBSD and Linus servers. We are wrestling (as I am sure many are), with spam. Up until now

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-20 Thread Kurt Buff
to me or to the list. We are wrestling (as I am sure many are), with spam. Up until now we have been employing Spamassassin locally and using some 3rd party Anti-Spam servervices that are getting less and less reliable as the weeks go by. We are considering two hardware solutions, Easyantispam

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-20 Thread Derek Ragona
At 11:43 AM 4/20/2007, Grant Peel wrote: Hi all, I am posting this question here because I know there are alot of ISPs using FreeBSD (including me) and am hoping to get feedback, either directly to me or to the list. We are wrestling (as I am sure many are), with spam. Up until now we have

Re: Anti Spam

2007-04-20 Thread Eric Crist
On Apr 20, 2007, at 11:43 AMApr 20, 2007, Grant Peel wrote: Hi all, I am posting this question here because I know there are alot of ISPs using FreeBSD (including me) and am hoping to get feedback, either directly to me or to the list. We are wrestling (as I am sure many are), with spam

Re: *** PROBABLY SPAM *** RE: linux-flashplugin9 with Mozilla Firefox

2007-04-16 Thread Mark Hannon
Hi Olivier, With the flash9 plugin I also get a blank box in the browser window where the flash animation should be. Using flash7 fixes the problem. Rgds/Mark On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 13:48 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selon Mark Hannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Olivier, I have not

Re: [maybe spam] Re: sysctl invalid argument

2007-04-11 Thread Beni
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 18:26:20 Kevin Kinsey wrote: Beni wrote: Hi list, When reading through my dmesg, I found this sysctl error/message : sysctl : hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest : Invalid argument. Now there is no mention what so ever of that option in my /etc/sysctl.conf, so I didn't set

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-08 Thread Erik Norgaard
Angelin Lalev wrote: Hi List, My e-mail server is running the latest spamassassin with all of the blacklist enabled and etc. but I still receive over 20 spam messages a day (image spam mostly). The situation with other users may be worse. That's why I was thinking about some tool that 1

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-08 Thread Martin Hudec
Angelin Lalev wrote: My e-mail server is running the latest spamassassin with all of the blacklist enabled and etc. but I still receive over 20 spam messages a day (image spam mostly). The situation with other users may be worse. That's why I was thinking about some tool that 1. store

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
On Apr 4, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Gary Kline wrote: What I got caught on was client, altho from the context, here ``client'' seems to mean the mail-server-sending-spam.' In the unix world, my server is the client--unless the client-server model is different with email

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-04 Thread Martin Hepworth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, My e-mail server is running the latest spamassassin with all of the blacklist enabled and etc. but I still receive over 20 spam messages a day (image spam mostly). The situation with other users may be worse. That's why I was thinking about some tool that 1. store

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-04 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Apr 03), Gary Kline said: I've been experimenting with greylisting for months. Not sure the regular mail filter installs or not, but the devel version installed just now perfectly. Is there any tutorial on this or should I just re-read the man pages and other docs a

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-04 Thread Gary Kline
the mail-server-sending-spam.' In the unix world, my server is the client--unless the client-server model is different with email. Another reason I didn't reinstall is that an hour seems far too long. A few to = 15 minutes seems closert to what a spammer just

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-03 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Angelin Lalev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My e-mail server is running the latest spamassassin with all of the black= list enabled and etc. but I still receive over 20 spam messages a day (image spam mostly). how about greylisting? putting something like a greylisting pf/spamd in front of your

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-03 Thread Gary Kline
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:49:19PM -0500, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Apr 03), Angelin Lalev said: My e-mail server is running the latest spamassassin with all of the blacklist enabled and etc. but I still receive over 20 spam messages a day (image spam mostly

advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-02 Thread Angelin Lalev
Hi List, My e-mail server is running the latest spamassassin with all of the blacklist enabled and etc. but I still receive over 20 spam messages a day (image spam mostly). The situation with other users may be worse. That's why I was thinking about some tool that 1. store incoming

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-02 Thread Warren Block
On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Angelin Lalev wrote: My e-mail server is running the latest spamassassin with all of the blacklist enabled and etc. but I still receive over 20 spam messages a day (image spam mostly). The situation with other users may be worse. That's why I was thinking about some tool

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-02 Thread Kurt Buff
, since you are already using SpamAssassin, and the problem seems to be image spam, you should probably try installing FuzzyOCR instead, which is in ports. # make search name=fuzzyocr Port: p5-FuzzyOcr-2.3.b_2,1 Path: /usr/ports/mail/p5-FuzzyOcr Info: Plugin for SpamAssassin which scans image

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-02 Thread Doug Hardie
On Apr 2, 2007, at 17:08, Kurt Buff wrote: Do you receive mail from lists such as this one? Do you receive mail from non-responding mailboxes, such as network notificationss, etc.? Do you care about your new correspondents? If you answer 'yes' to any of these messages, then a

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-02 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
[mailed and posted] On Apr 2, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Angelin Lalev wrote: Hi List, My e-mail server is running the latest spamassassin with all of the blacklist enabled and etc. but I still receive over 20 spam messages a day (image spam mostly). The situation with other users may be worse

Re: advice on anti-spam tools

2007-04-02 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Apr 03), Angelin Lalev said: My e-mail server is running the latest spamassassin with all of the blacklist enabled and etc. but I still receive over 20 spam messages a day (image spam mostly). The situation with other users may be worse. That's why I was thinking about

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-14 Thread Chuck Swiger
how it prevents spam. If the mail says it is from [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I cannot send a DSN to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then the account is most likely bogus sender and is refused. It works wonders for spam. DSN has a specific definition -- look in the RFCs as I don't remember which RFC

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-14 Thread Christopher Hilton
] then I don't see how it prevents spam. If the mail says it is from [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I cannot send a DSN to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then the account is most likely bogus sender and is refused. It works wonders for spam. DSN has a specific definition -- look in the RFCs as I don't remember which

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-13 Thread Christopher Sean Hilton
On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 12:00 -0400, Marcelo Maraboli wrote: I agree. callbacks are not enough, you can reach a false conclusion, that´s why I use SPF along with callbacks... on the same message, my MX concludes: you are sending email from [EMAIL PROTECTED], but shire.net says YOUR

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Mar 13, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 12:00 -0400, Marcelo Maraboli wrote: I agree. callbacks are not enough, you can reach a false conclusion, that´s why I use SPF along with callbacks... on the same message, my MX concludes: you are

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-13 Thread Christopher Sean Hilton
spam. As the above poster says SPF is the way to go. SPF gives the receiving MTA a mechanism to vet inbound mail. For any combination of mail server and from address/from domain there are three possible results from an SPF check: The server is allowed to send mail for the domain; The server

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
to deliver a message via smtp to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then I don't see how it prevents spam. If the mail says it is from [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I cannot send a DSN to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then the account is most likely bogus sender and is refused. It works wonders for spam. DSN has a specific

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-12 Thread Marcelo Maraboli
John L wrote: I phrased it wrong. You are not responsible for the content, but you are responsible for the mail domain and that includes verifying that mail is validly from your domain you are responsible for. Oh, OK. So if someone sends pump and dump with a [EMAIL PROTECTED] return

RE: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Randal, Phil
2007 19:28 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; users@spamassassin.apache.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? To fight spam, I want to validate the address (not necessarily in real-time) of the a given

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Justin Mason
for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this as an anti-spam technique. Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, in my opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers looking to evade it -- use real sender addresses. Where's an easy place to find

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this as an anti-spam technique. Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, in my opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers looking to evade

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:41:48PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this as an anti-spam technique. Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, in my

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:41:48PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this as an anti-spam technique. Sender-address verification

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
suggest *not* adopting this as an anti-spam technique. Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, in my opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers looking to evade it -- use real sender addresses. Where's an easy place to find real addresses

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Len Conrad
Perhaps we are talking about different things, I am talking about systems which send me an email back requiring me to do steps a, b or c in order to complete delivery of the email. that's challenge/response, which has been widely discredited for years. SAV is a receiving MX probing the MX of

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
years back spam return addresses were typically complete fakes in nonexistent domains. Now they're picked out of the same victim lists as the targets. They have been doing that for ages. I run a hosting service and have had that problem way before sender verification became in vogue. I've

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
, Justin Mason wrote: for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this as an anti-spam technique. Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, in my opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers looking to evade it -- use real sender addresses. Where's

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread John Levine
have you been on? A few years back spam return addresses were typically complete fakes in nonexistent domains. Now they're picked out of the same victim lists as the targets. They have been doing that for ages. I run a hosting service and have had that problem way before sender verification

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread John Levine
have you been on? A few years back spam return addresses were typically complete fakes in nonexistent domains. Now they're picked out of the same victim lists as the targets. I've had to locally blacklist a few places specifically because of all of their abusive verification. If that's what you

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
in a separate easy to block IP range. Amazing, as I run mail for lots of domains, and replying to sender verification is almost a nonexistent load compared to the mail bombs and bounces etc. Show me your numbers. What planet have you been on? A few years back spam return addresses were typically

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread John L
I phrased it wrong. You are not responsible for the content, but you are responsible for the mail domain and that includes verifying that mail is validly from your domain you are responsible for. Oh, OK. So if someone sends pump and dump with a [EMAIL PROTECTED] return address, and I do a

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
compared to our overall load. You are complaining about a non issue. I can say that address verification helps us reject the lion's share of spam we receive without having to process it further. Chad Don't forget that the From: line address need not be the same as the bounce address

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Len Conrad
onfirmed that the mail is from you, after all No. His MX has only verified his email address, which does not say he sent the msg. Len ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Len Conrad
onfirmed that the mail is from you, after all No. His MX has only verified his email address, which does not say he sent the msg. Then what was the point? His MX has only verified his email address Len ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
[mailed and posted] On Mar 10, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Kelly Jones wrote: To fight spam, I want to validate the address (not necessarily in real-time) of the a given email sender. Is there a Unix tool that does this? The basics are simple: to validate [EMAIL PROTECTED], I connect to the MX record

Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
technology. The counter measures always cost more than the sending of the spam Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org

Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

2007-03-10 Thread Kelly Jones
To fight spam, I want to validate the address (not necessarily in real-time) of the a given email sender. Is there a Unix tool that does this? The basics are simple: to validate [EMAIL PROTECTED], I connect to the MX record of wnonline.net and go as far as RCPT TO as follows: host -t mx

Re: ***SPAM*** Re: One hurdle left to switch

2007-02-06 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 09:46:14 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, another thing. I've used HR Block's online tax accounting service, and although it's not the best interface, it's just as good as some copies of Turbotax that I've seen. You used it with FreeBSD? What browser? And

Re: Spam and Viruses, Vandalism-l, the Mailing List from Hell.

2007-01-27 Thread Martin McCormick
Paul Schmehl writes: Uvscan is McAfee's antivirus product. Did you install it? There's a conf file in the files directory of that port. It defines AVSCANNER as /usr/ local/bin/uvscan. That would require that you have McAfee Antivirus for FreeBSD installed. If this machine handles lots of mail,

Spam and Viruses, Vandalism-l, the Mailing List from Hell.

2007-01-26 Thread Martin McCormick
Has anyone gotten the port /usr/ports/mail/antivirus-milter to work? The system in question runs FreeBSD5.4 with sendmail and bogofilter. Bogofilter is excellent at helping sort messages in to spam or other folders if you generate a large wordlist. One category

Re: Spam and Viruses, Vandalism-l, the Mailing List from Hell.

2007-01-26 Thread Paul Schmehl
in to spam or other folders if you generate a large wordlist. One category of junkmail, however, is not true spam. It is more a form of hacking in that it tries to implant viruses like Johny Appleseed only this guy is Johny weedseed. I got antivirus-milter to make and install

Re: Mystery Spam Piling Up in Mqueue

2007-01-15 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Jason C. Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a bunch of mail piling up in /var/spool/mqueue. It appears to be all spam and it appears to be generated on the localhost. I am not sending it. Like Jeff said, this looks very much like bounces generated by spam which was sent with a forged

Re: Mystery Spam Piling Up in Mqueue

2007-01-15 Thread Bill Moran
the bounce. Most likely spam using a forged (or real) address something@macbilling.com was sent to your system to somefakeaddress@highperformance.net and of course your system could not deliver the message so it bounced. As another idea, if these are being generated as a result of spam

Mystery Spam Piling Up in Mqueue

2007-01-14 Thread Jason C. Wells
I have a bunch of mail piling up in /var/spool/mqueue. It appears to be all spam and it appears to be generated on the localhost. I am not sending it. I double checked my self @ abuse.net to see if I was an open relay, I'm not. I can't really say where it's coming from. How do I figure

Re: Mystery Spam Piling Up in Mqueue

2007-01-14 Thread Jeff Royle
The example below is simply a bounce that did not go through. Note: Mailer-Daemon and MDeferred: Connection refused by macbilling.com. Your system attempted to delivery a bounce back to macbilling.com and the MTA @ macbilling.com is rejecting the bounce. Most likely spam using a forged

Re: Mystery Spam Piling Up in Mqueue

2007-01-14 Thread Jason C. Wells
Jeff Royle wrote: Welcome to the running a mailserver on the intertubes. :-) And it used to be such a nice neighborhood. :( It's hard to be a good netizen. I probably don't spend as much time on it as purist would prefer. I just try to sweep up whatever flotsam comes my way when I find

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