Under linux: install pci-tools or something, then "lspci".
Adrian
2008/9/4 Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:58 PM, Wesley Shields wrote:
>
>> I installed the June snapshot of -current on my laptop and it supports
>> my Intel 4965 just fine. Support for this card is out th
Ian Smith wrote:
> % man sysinstall | tail says it all. However sysinstall has enough bits
> (modules, really) that don't suck to make its presence still worthy.
>
> The wrappers around fdisk and bsdlabel alone are worth a lot, despite a
> notion that 'real men' figure out cylinder and sli
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Vincent Hoffman wrote:
> Ian Smith wrote:
>
>
> > The wrappers around fdisk and bsdlabel alone are worth a lot, despite a
> > notion that 'real men' figure out cylinder and slice offsets themselves.
> > If even those sections were broken out to separate tools, I'd ra
Ian Smith wrote:
> The wrappers around fdisk and bsdlabel alone are worth a lot, despite a
> notion that 'real men' figure out cylinder and slice offsets themselves.
> If even those sections were broken out to separate tools, I'd rarely
> need to fire up sysinstall to, for example, partition
On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Ken Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 14:51 +1000, Ian Smith wrote:
> > I just booted off the 7.0 disc1 to check, and /usr/local/bin/links is
> > still the default browser in Options, available during installation from
> > another vty. So I was a bit surprised, on rebo
On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 10:27:31PM -0400, Randy Pratt wrote:
> Personally, I quit using packages in the 2.x-3.x days since there were
> far less problems building everything from sources and not trying to
> mix pre-built packages and locally built ports.
We are doing much better these days in term
On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:50:08 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Linimon) wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 08:06:24AM -0400, Randy Pratt wrote:
> > Additionally, I've never seen a clear way of synchronizing a
> > local ports tree to that used to create the "LATEST" packages.
>
> There's really not a way
On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 08:06:24AM -0400, Randy Pratt wrote:
> Additionally, I've never seen a clear way of synchronizing a
> local ports tree to that used to create the "LATEST" packages.
There's really not a way to easily track this, especially with the
fact that we tend to run incremental updat
Kevin Oberman wrote:
> Kai Otto wrote:
> > I think someone mentioned it earlier, but I'm not shure.
> > IMHO it would _be_ nice if there's a HTML-browser in the standard
> > installation (with option to not install it in sysinstall).
> > I say HTML and not web because I think about the /usr/sh
On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 08:06:24AM -0400, Randy Pratt wrote:
> The ports tree distribution tarball provided on the installation disks
> is another area that needs some consideration. I suspect that many
> people aren't aware of the need for "adoption":
>
> http://myfreebsd.homeunix.net/hints_n_
Ken Smith wrote:
I'm with Scott in that I like the "other distros" being around. I don't
think that necessarily means we shouldn't try harder. But IMHO trying
harder needs to be reflected in a new installer. Lets face it,
sysinstall s*cks... For the type of folks who want the installer to do
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:46:37 -0400
Ken Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 14:51 +1000, Ian Smith wrote:
> > I just booted off the 7.0 disc1 to check, and /usr/local/bin/links is
> > still the default browser in Options, available during installation from
> > another vty. S
On Sunday 07 September 2008 06:46:37 Ken Smith wrote:
> The path I'm planning is based on these observations:
>
> - Many people believe you should just use sysinstall to install
> the baseline system, and any packages/ports installs should
> be done post-install. Its hard to
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 14:51 +1000, Ian Smith wrote:
> I just booted off the 7.0 disc1 to check, and /usr/local/bin/links is
> still the default browser in Options, available during installation from
> another vty. So I was a bit surprised, on rebooting into my so far not
> much configured 7.0, t
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Kai Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2008/9/5
> > Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
> > To: Tom Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:24:49 +0200
> From: "Kai Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Kai Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/9/5
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
> To: T
On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 01:24:49PM +0200, Kai Otto typed:
>
> I think someone mentioned it earlier, but I'm not shure.
> IMHO it would _be_ nice if there's a HTML-browser in the standard
> installation (with option to not install it in sysinstall).
> I say HTML and not web because I think about th
-- Forwarded message --
From: Kai Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2008/9/5
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
To: Tom Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello
I think someone mentioned it earlier, but I'm not shure.
IMHO it would _be_ nice if there's a HTML-b
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 08:45 -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> On 4 Sep 2008, at 12:20 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
...
> It was using Ubuntu that caused me to realize how far behind FreeBSD
> is on the desktop side, and how, with a SMALL AMOUNT of work and
> changes, it could make a big jump forward by t
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:30:49PM +0200, Ernest Sales wrote:
> I use to update ports almost weekly from -latest, but the resulting GUI is
> not always consistent, so I am considering to stick with the -release tag.
> Could someone comment on the quality of ports from -release vs. -latest? In
> oth
> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:22:30 -0400
> From: Jim Pingle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
> To: Wesley Shields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 11:20:53PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:48PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> > On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote:
> >> If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try
> >> Freesbie or something like that?
> >
> > Becaus
No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to install
firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is still
necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us right
back to the very issue you are trying to solve.
-- WXS
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 05:35:09PM +0200, Marian Hettwer wrote:
> >
> Ah, I have to disagree.
> The last few times I installed a FreeBSD with xorg, I was really pleased
> how good xorg was in guessing my hardware in comparison to the olde days of
> XFree86.
> It was really, install xorg, run xorg -
On 4 Sep 2008, at 9:49 AM, Jim Pingle wrote:
My memory may be failing me, but there used to be a port called
"instant
workstaion" that accomplished quite a bit, and the installer would
drop in X
but asked for KDE or Gnome, but I don't recall when those choices
went away.
This is in fact
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:58:27AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> Okay, so how about for packages on the base CD:
>
> * cvsup-without-gui (I also always use this)
Side note:
You don't need this, especially since you're using -without-gui.
There is a utility in the base system called csup(1) which sup
On 4 Sep 2008, at 9:42 AM, Randy Pratt wrote:
2 FTP Install from an FTP server
We have a winner! I think this is what I may have overlooked: setting
the source to FTP rather than to CD.
I have always used the packages on the discs, and I have always
downloaded just disc1, whic
Dan Allen wrote:
> On 4 Sep 2008, at 8:22 AM, Jim Pingle wrote:
> Okay, so how about for packages on the base CD:
>
> * cvsup-without-gui (I also always use this)
> * rsync
> * perl
As others have mentioned, there are plenty of uses for packages, even if I
do not use them "out of the box" there a
Guido, I agree completely with you and Jeremy.
At Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:51:00 +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:
>
> Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:48PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> >> On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you just want na instant workstation, wh
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:58:27 -0600
Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Then, since packages are always out-of-date, why not just skip the DVD
> and use the internet with a couple of check boxes at the end of the
> install, the way ports is treated now, that are just calls to pkg_add -
> r f
Hej Guido,
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:07:36 +0200, Guido Falsi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:58:27AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
>>
>> I hope everyone realizes that I am not trying to "de-server" FreeBSD. I
>> just remember how daunting it was for me to get X setup when all I
>>
Hi Dan,
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:45:00 -0600, Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> You may be interested to know, however, that some people ALSO use it
> as a desktop system. ;-)
>
I second that! :)
I for one really love FreeBSD on a server, 'cause it has a (to me) perfect
setup of tools to use
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:48:46AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
>
> On 4 Sep 2008, at 3:42 AM, Oliver Peter wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 02:58:45PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> >>
> >> On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote:
> >>
> >>> Your patches to add support for the i4965 and your Mar
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:58:27AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
>
> I hope everyone realizes that I am not trying to "de-server" FreeBSD. I
> just remember how daunting it was for me to get X setup when all I
> wanted to use was a web browser when I was new to it all.
>
> The early BSD releases had
On 4 Sep 2008, at 8:22 AM, Jim Pingle wrote:
The CD installs are great for me, and have worked well for years.
Personally, I install, update to -STABLE from a local cvsup mirror,
then use
an updated ports tree or install packages remotely. The packages on
CD are
out of date practically from
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:34:54AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
>
> On 4 Sep 2008, at 7:43 AM, Wesley Shields wrote:
>
> > No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to
> > install
> > firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is
> > still
> > necessary to bu
On 4 Sep 2008, at 3:42 AM, Oliver Peter wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 02:58:45PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote:
Your patches to add support for the i4965 and your Marvell 88E80xx
must have been stripped by the mailing list software. Can you
please
On 4 Sep 2008, at 12:20 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but your assumption is
ignorant. Why do you think FreeBSD is intended solely for desktop
usage? It's not.
I, for one, **only want a command prompt** out of the box. I **do
not**
want Xorg or any
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:22:30AM -0400, Jim Pingle wrote:
> Also, is not Ubuntu a "downstream" release of Debian, much like FreeSBIE and
> PC-BSD are "downstream" of FreeBSD?
Re: Ubuntu -- Yes, it is.
--
| Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networki
Wesley Shields wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:28:44PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
>> Hey, these great comments bring up a different solution, which may be
>> the way to go.
>>
>> It is simple: have a few of the common apps that are net-centric (like
>> firefox) be simply calls to pkg_add -r in the
On 4 Sep 2008, at 7:43 AM, Wesley Shields wrote:
No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to
install
firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is
still
necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us
right
back to the very issue y
Royce Williams wrote:
Peter Jeremy wrote, on 9/4/2008 12:54 AM:
2) Traditionally, the ISO images have been sized to fit on 650MB CD-RWs.
Maybe this should be revisited but during a release freeze is not
the right time for that.
Isn't there a little more room now by default? From
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:28:44PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
>
> On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:54 PM, Brian wrote:
>
> > I always do the minimal install over the net. I got X working in 7-
> > stable by doing the minimal install, then the following.
> >
> > pkg_add -r xorg
> > pkg_add -r portupgrade
> > po
Peter Jeremy wrote, on 9/4/2008 12:54 AM:
> 2) Traditionally, the ISO images have been sized to fit on 650MB CD-RWs.
>Maybe this should be revisited but during a release freeze is not
>the right time for that.
Isn't there a little more room now by default? From the 7.0 release
notes:
The
Daniel O'Connor wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Vincent Hoffman wrote:
>
>> Actually FreeBSD does support a compressed (read only) filesystem,
>> geom_uzip(4) This is used by freesbie if I remember rightly.
>> However it does mean you cannot just mount and browse the install cd
>> with the generic
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Vincent Hoffman wrote:
> Actually FreeBSD does support a compressed (read only) filesystem,
> geom_uzip(4) This is used by freesbie if I remember rightly.
> However it does mean you cannot just mount and browse the install cd
> with the generic kernel, and I'd guess it bumps up
Peter Jeremy wrote:
> On 2008-Sep-03 15:53:30 -0600, Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I see. I was thinking of FreeBSD 7.0 whose disc1 is 509 MB in size,
>> leaving almost 200 MB free for a standard 700 MB CD.
>>
>
> I missed that the disc layous have been rearranged and disc1 i
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 02:58:45PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
>
> On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote:
>
> > Your patches to add support for the i4965 and your Marvell 88E80xx
> > must have been stripped by the mailing list software. Can you please
> > re-send them.
>
> I have not writte
On 2008-Sep-03 15:53:30 -0600, Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I see. I was thinking of FreeBSD 7.0 whose disc1 is 509 MB in size,
>leaving almost 200 MB free for a standard 700 MB CD.
I missed that the disc layous have been rearranged and disc1 is now
somewhat emptier than when I last lo
Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:48PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote:
If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try
Freesbie or something like that?
Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- an
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:48PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
>
> On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote:
>
>> If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try
>> Freesbie or something like that?
>
> Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and
> not s
On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:01:48 -0600
Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Ubuntu install is very compelling. I am just wishing that
> FreeBSD was AS compelling in its first install experience. At
> present it is far, far behind.
Well, do you really want all those people who can't even read
Google for freesbie, or perhaps PC-BSD
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BACKGROUND:
>
> A few years ago one could get a FreeBSD CD and install X and get a decent
> basic system from one CD.
>
> One can still do this with Ubuntu today as well.
>
> Why can't we
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:01:31 -0600
Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mentioned:
> Phillip Salzman wrote:
> > An easy answer would be to put the web-browser and such the first
> > disk, but
> > I don't think it would solve anything. If it kept with those,
> > FreeBSD would
> > find itself just movi
| By Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| [ 2008-09-03 23:06 +0200 ]
> FreeBSD from the machine and installed Ubuntu 8.04. I therefore
> cannot run "pciconf -l" at this moment in time, but I may get back
> around to it.
lspci ?
Regards,
Aragon
___
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:43:45 -0600
Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 3 Sep 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steven Hartland wrote:
>
> > - Original Message - From: "Dan Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> >
> >> I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want
> >> to use F
On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:54 PM, Brian wrote:
I always do the minimal install over the net. I got X working in 7-
stable by doing the minimal install, then the following.
pkg_add -r xorg
pkg_add -r portupgrade
portupgrade -NRP kde
pkg_add -r tightvnc.
On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:59 PM, Randy Pratt wrote
Dan Allen wrote:
On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote:
If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try
Freesbie or something like that?
Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and
not something downstream.
What's wrong with "downstream"?
I always do the minimal install over the net. I got X working in
7-stable by doing the minimal install, then the following.
pkg_add -r xorg
pkg_add -r portupgrade
portupgrade -NRP kde
pkg_add -r tightvnc.
I then edited the vnc config file in my homedir, it was really pretty
easy on a dual co
On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:36 PM, Scott Long wrote:
What's wrong with "downstream"?
I can crash most Linux distributions in an hour. Your examples are
just why I like FreeBSD and why I do not like or normally use Linux.
I only grabbed Ubuntu recently because there is ZERO net access from
Fre
On 3 Sep 2008, at 4:58 PM, Guido Falsi wrote:
Also, FreeBSD is still a little download compared to other systems.
I would not like to download a multiGB distribution when what I need
is just base system + sources, to build everything up from there.
I do not want to download a big multi GB
Phillip Salzman wrote:
An easy answer would be to put the web-browser and such the first
disk, but
I don't think it would solve anything. If it kept with those,
FreeBSD would
find itself just moving towards the same work being done at PC-BSD,
wouldn't
it?
When I see almost 200 MB free on
Dan Allen wrote:
On 3 Sep 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steven Hartland wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Dan Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want
to use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt.
They at least want a we
On 3 Sep 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steven Hartland wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Dan Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want
to use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt.
They at least want a web browser out
I second that FreeBSD is a server OS, but do sympathize with what Dan has
mentioned. Opening new audiences of course starts with a quick install on
a desktop or laptop.
An easy answer would be to put the web-browser and such the first disk, but
I don't think it would solve anything. If it kept
On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote:
Disc1 is full. What do you suggest should be removed from disk1 to
make space for the above?
I see. I was thinking of FreeBSD 7.0 whose disc1 is 509 MB in size,
leaving almost 200 MB free for a standard 700 MB CD.
Q: Has FreeBSD 7.1 REALLY
> The Ubuntu install is very compelling. I am just wishing that FreeBSD
> was AS compelling in its first install experience. At present it is
> far, far behind.
>
> That does not stop ME from preferring FreeBSD, but it stops many other
> people.
FreeBSD is primarily a server oriented operating
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want to
use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. They at
least want a web browser out of the box.
For some, but for others like ourselves he
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Dan Allen wrote:
Also, and I am sure I am not the only one with one of these, my new $500 Dell
Inspiron 1525 is not supported well by BSD RELENG_7: the Intel 4965 wireless
and the Marvell 88E80xx Ethernet are both NOT supported so I have a great new
laptop which cannot conn
On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:58 PM, Wesley Shields wrote:
I installed the June snapshot of -current on my laptop and it supports
my Intel 4965 just fine. Support for this card is out there and does
work, just not in RELENG_7.
On 3 Sep 2008, at 2:45 PM, Gavin Atkinson wrote:
There is support for the
On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote:
If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try
Freesbie or something like that?
Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and
not something downstream.
If I install FreeBSD on a PC I expect this instal
On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote:
Your patches to add support for the i4965 and your Marvell 88E80xx
must have been stripped by the mailing list software. Can you please
re-send them.
I have not written patches, thus I did not send any patches.
Dan
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 05:14:55AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote:
> On 2008-Sep-03 10:36:11 -0600, Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Also, and I am sure I am not the only one with one of these, my new
> >$500 Dell Inspiron 1525 is not supported well by BSD RELENG_7: the
> >Intel 4965 wireless
Dan Allen wrote:
BACKGROUND:
A few years ago one could get a FreeBSD CD and install X and get a
decent basic system from one CD.
One can still do this with Ubuntu today as well.
Why can't we have a small window manager like icewm along with Firefox
3.0+ be among the packages on the first Fr
On 2008-Sep-03 10:36:11 -0600, Dan Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Also, and I am sure I am not the only one with one of these, my new
>$500 Dell Inspiron 1525 is not supported well by BSD RELENG_7: the
>Intel 4965 wireless and the Marvell 88E80xx Ethernet are both NOT
>supported so I have
BACKGROUND:
A few years ago one could get a FreeBSD CD and install X and get a
decent basic system from one CD.
One can still do this with Ubuntu today as well.
Why can't we have a small window manager like icewm along with Firefox
3.0+ be among the packages on the first FreeBSD CD so a ba
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