> Rugxulo wrote:
>
>> BTW, I think the iBiblio mirror for FreeDOS is over 6 GB these days
>> (probably due to big distros and lots of older versions of stuff). No
>> idea what a full DJGPP mirror would take (rr? any guess?). Or even how
>> big Simtel's /msdos/ is or (defunct) Garbo, etc.
Correct,
Michael B. Brutman wrote:
> drives to hold common data. I wrote a little command line "boot
> manager" to hide the partition that is not in use so that drive letters
> don't shift. (DOS 3.3 can't see the DOS 5 partition, but if the DOS 3.3
> partition is not hidden DOS 5 will see it.)
For th
Rugxulo wrote:
> BTW, I think the iBiblio mirror for FreeDOS is over 6 GB these days
> (probably due to big distros and lots of older versions of stuff). No
> idea what a full DJGPP mirror would take (rr? any guess?). Or even how
> big Simtel's /msdos/ is or (defunct) Garbo, etc.
My DJGPP mirror
On 11/14/2012 9:01 AM, Rugxulo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Michael B. Brutman
> wrote:
>> I think I was pretty clear - "I think that 8GB is more than enough for
>> any DOS system I'm ever going to run ..."
> That's your decision. ;-)
Yes. I'm glad that you accept that now.
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Michael B. Brutman
wrote:
>
> I think I was pretty clear - "I think that 8GB is more than enough for
> any DOS system I'm ever going to run ..."
That's your decision. ;-)
> As much as I enjoyed DOS, when it was current the amount of user data
> one would ty
I think I was pretty clear - "I think that 8GB is more than enough for
any DOS system I'm ever going to run ..."
As much as I enjoyed DOS, when it was current the amount of user data
one would typically have was infinitely smaller. If you are going to
store gigabytes of music and photos and u
At 06:38 PM 11/13/2012, Michael B. Brutman wrote:
>I wanted to be able to dual boot my machine (a PCjr, 1983) to both
>operating systems. DOS 3.3 uses an earlier variant of FAT16, which is
>only good up to 32MB.
Well, that's because this was a "true" FAT16, with up to 65535
sectors of 512 bytes
Hi,
On Nov 13, 2012 8:39 PM, "Michael B. Brutman" wrote:
>
> I think that 8GB is more than enough for any DOS system I'm ever going
> to run ...
Sarcasm or serious? :-) We all know the (false) 640k quote attributed to
Bill Gates. But nothing ever stays the same. While I agree that 8 GB is a
t
We are far off topic now and I probably should not admit this but ...
I've installed both DOS 3.3 and DOS 5 on the same machine lately. And
yes, I had to use 32MB partitions.
I wanted to be able to dual boot my machine (a PCjr, 1983) to both
operating systems. DOS 3.3 uses an earlier variant
Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 16:36 +0100, Bernd Blaauw wrote:
>> I remember the old days of having 4 (primary? extended? logical?)
>> FAT16 partitions of 2GB each, allowing up to 8GB total.
>
> I remember using 32MB partitions :-)
>
My first HDD was 28M, and I created three
On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 20:21 +0100, Bernd Blaauw wrote:
> > I remember using 32MB partitions :-)
>
> That's the 80286 era or so. 386/4MB/40MB/DOS5 is furthest it goes back
> for me.
I was using a "hardcard" with an Amstrad PC1512 CGA and twin 360k
floppies. Pretty brilliant for its time.
I noti
On 2012-11-13 14:28 (GMT-0500) David Kerber composed:
> Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
>> Bernd Blaauw wrote:
>>> I remember the old days of having 4 (primary? extended? logical?)
>>> FAT16 partitions of 2GB each, allowing up to 8GB total.
>> I remember using 32MB partitions :-)
> 32MB is bigger
> -Original Message-
> From: Single Stage to Orbit [mailto:alex.bu...@munted.eu]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:12 PM
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
>
> On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 16:36 +0100, Bern
Op 13-11-2012 19:12, Single Stage to Orbit schreef:
> I remember using 32MB partitions :-)
That's the 80286 era or so. 386/4MB/40MB/DOS5 is furthest it goes back
for me.
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On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 16:36 +0100, Bernd Blaauw wrote:
> I remember the old days of having 4 (primary? extended? logical?)
> FAT16 partitions of 2GB each, allowing up to 8GB total.
I remember using 32MB partitions :-)
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Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Asking for the person still doing that Dr dos 703 thing.
> What is the largest drive capacitor for the current edition of freedos?
There has been much discussion regarding which DOS might do what on
which machine. Actually determining which will actually work
Hi Eric,
Thanks a lot for teaching me more about how the different DOS'es and
BIOS'es work with respect to disk partitioning. This is a very
interesting thread for me to follow.
Bob
On 11/12/12 3:20 PM, Eric Auer wrote:
> Hi Karen, (Bob: please see below...)
>
> important snippet from
> https
You know what I found amusing in the article?
assuming this is correct, one could buy the entire code for $25k, smiles.
A bargain perhaps by many standards..especially given how many systems
adjust given away these days.
I do sincerely think the community for a chance to think through what
we h
On 2012-11-12 15:15 (GMT-0500) Karen Lewellen composed:
> Let me be more clear since you may have missed this. gives me a chance to
> share a source for utilities.
> we tried using many from the ultimate boot cd,
> www.ultimatebootcd.com
I use it for several things, but partitioning is not amon
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Eric Auer wrote:
>
> Hi Karen, (Bob: please see below...)
>
> important snippet from
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS#After_Novell
>
> Support for LBA and FAT32 originally was a DRFAT32 device driver,
Which wasn't included in DR-DOS 7.03 (at least not m
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Karen Lewellen
wrote:
>
> interesting read...complete with weikipedia's often begging for real sources
> smiles.
> still it seems the novel 7 is older officially than what we are already
> using.
CP/M-86 eventually evolved into DR-DOS (and even uses similar
Hi Eric,
As a contact of Udo's with Udo in the exchange told us himself in a
private exchange, those are
uncompiled binaries, so cannot be installed as an stand alone os. his
idea is for people to
use those patches on an existing install of Dr dos that is not as current
as 7.03, 7.01 in fac
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:33 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2012-11-12 01:20 (GMT-0600) Rugxulo composed:
>
>> DOSEMU isn't in any "official" Fedora repo
>
> My other 24/7 machine runs openSUSE, with DOSEMU from standard repo. I find
> OpenSUSE's installation the best of any bar none, and Fedora
Hi Karen, (Bob: please see below...)
important snippet from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS#After_Novell
Support for LBA and FAT32 originally was a DRFAT32 device driver,
so in old DR DOS, you first have to boot from a FAT16 partition
which is entirely in the first 8 GB of your disk and les
Hi,
Let me be more clear since you may have missed this. gives me a chance to
share a source for utilities.
we tried using many from the ultimate boot cd,
www.ultimatebootcd.com
Including both ranish partition manager andgparted as suggested.
All of these tools are modern, start creating the p
On 2012-11-12 13:59 (GMT-0500) Karen Lewellen composed:
> We had no difficulty installing the five disk set of Dr dos 7.03 onto the
> primary dos partition it created...that was never the issue.
> The issue instead was using the rest of the hard drive in any fashion that
> Dr dos would understan
Hi,
We had no difficulty installing the five disk set of Dr dos 7.03 onto the
primary dos partition it created...that was never the issue.
The issue instead was using the rest of the hard drive in any fashion that
Dr dos would understand. No matter how far below 2 gig we went. The fdisk
must
On 2012-11-12 18:42 (GMT+0100) Bernd Blaauw composed:
> Earlier in the thread you mentioned a 13GB disk seen a bit smaller with
> all things going wrong. This might mean the system has a BIOS
> harddisk-recognition limitation, usually bugging out partition management.
My slightly newer Dell PIII
On 2012-11-11 22:44 (GMT-0500) Karen Lewellen composed:
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen proof 7.03 cannot coexist with a
>> "large" HD. Is it a lack of FAT32/>2GB partition support? That's her
>> obstacle?
> the dell inspirium 7500, comes with a 12 gig hard drive.
Op 12-11-2012 18:14, Karen Lewellen schreef:
>
> Hi,
> interesting read...complete with weikipedia's often begging for real sources
> smiles.
> still it seems the novel 7 is older officially than what we are already
> using.
Earlier in the thread you mentioned a 13GB disk seen a bit smaller with
Hi,
interesting read...complete with weikipedia's often begging for real sources
smiles.
still it seems the novel 7 is older officially than what we are already
using.
Kare
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2012-11-11 22:44 (GMT-0500) Karen Lewellen composed:
>
>>> I have Novell DOS
On 2012-11-12 01:20 (GMT-0600) Rugxulo composed:
> DOSEMU isn't in any "official" Fedora repo
My other 24/7 machine runs openSUSE, with DOSEMU from standard repo. I find
OpenSUSE's installation the best of any bar none, and Fedora's (and Mageia's,
and *buntu's) lacking hugely in flexibility by
On 2012-11-12 01:11 (GMT-0600) Rugxulo composed:
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> Maybe what could meet her needs is OS/2 or eCS. Last century at least they
>> were always better at multitasking DOS apps than DOS ever could hope to be.
>> OS/2 as eComStation is currently available to run on modern hardwar
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Karen Lewellen
wrote:
>
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Felix Miata wrote:
>
>> Does she have or have access to DesqView 386? DV is how I multitasked before
>> switching to OS/2 Warp.
>
> Indeed? I am sure she does not have it, I will hunt for this tonight.
>
> It didn
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2012-11-11 20:01 (GMT-0500) Karen Lewellen composed:
>
>> Eleni wants to leave windows behind for a
>> variety of reasons. She will have to decide what is more important for her,
>> multitasking, as indeed Dr dos 7.03 includes as a pa
On 2012-11-11 22:44 (GMT-0500) Karen Lewellen composed:
>> I have Novell DOS 7 also.
> what is novell dos 7?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell_dos
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I wonder what the brandand firmware revisions the harddrive(s) in
question are and whether or not they have a size-limiting jumper
connected. Doesn't such a jumper, in combination with hardcoded BIOS
settings, control the cylinders-heads-sectors that "the DOS" flavor
sees? And doesn't DOS itsel
Hi,
Last one I am answering tonight...then back to my 50 shades of Grey
series. in context below.
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Felix Miata wrote:
> Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen proof 7.03 cannot coexist with a
> "large" HD. Is it a lack of FAT32/>2GB partition support? That's her obstacle?
H
Karen,
What hardware buildout do you have exactly? Are you using ISA modems or
network cards to connect to the internet? What peripherals do you have
connectedto your system? Do you have a local area network? How are you
obtaining your hardware?
I'm quite interested in your hardware buildout.
very interesting points, basically translating into what she is willing to
try.
the reference to 286 made me laugh out loud, my own desktop is a Pentium 3
with 784 meg of memory but I had mine built for me.
The Dell laptop inspirum 7500 if memory serves was built around 2000 I
think.
One can a
On 2012-11-11 20:01 (GMT-0500) Karen Lewellen composed:
> Eleni wants to leave windows behind for a
> variety of reasons. She will have to decide what is more important for her,
> multitasking, as indeed Dr dos 7.03 includes as a part of its structure,
> or a large hard drive, which cannot be ac
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Karen Lewellen
wrote:
>
> the answer is no then, thanks.
Beware of simple answers. They may be right most of the time, but
there are often workarounds and dark corners.
> As I said in my reply to John, Eleni wants to leave windows behind for a
> variety of r
There re two modes on. Uefi system, bios-MBr and uefi-gpt
The mbr approach is limited to 2.2tb and other can support
Larger that that, I not sure if it uses a special uefi sys partition
To load the firmware ,,
-Chris
Http://digitalatoll.com/
On Sunday, November 11, 2012, Bernd Blaauw wrote:
> Op
the answer is no then, thanks.
As I said in my reply to John, Eleni wants to leave windows behind for a
variety of reasons. She will have to decide what is more important for her,
multitasking, as indeed Dr dos 7.03 includes as a part of its structure,
or a large hard drive, which cannot be ac
Hi John,
not at all really.
I have used dos exclusively for all of my computing since 1988. I
presently run an augmented edition of ms dos 7.1 circle 2005 or so that
meets my pure dos needs totally.
Because I use dos though, i was contacted by a young woman who lives in
America and her friend
Hi Karen,
> does freedos has its own multitasking included in its latest package?
Not really. I remember there was something built into the
DREMM386 and DR-DOS, but I am not sure how far that would
work for what you need. Also, MS DOS had a task swapping
feature in DOSSHELL. As far as I remember
Karen,
There must be a program you need to run using a DOS environment. Am I
right about this? If so is it a well known package or a custom software
package? Some of older DOS software packages required a more traditional
DOS filesystem like FAT-16.
The decision as to which filesystem to use i
thanks, I think.
talk about pulling teeth.
so freedos can see drives as large as 2 thousand gig, which was not
clearly stated.
I almost hesitate to ask the next one, since straight answers come in
diagonals. but does freedos has its own multitasking included in its latest
package.
If the fat 3
Hi!
> So, if I translate this.
> The person wanting to consider freedos, could not do as I can do on my ms
> dos 7.1 system, format a 20 gig drive split it into 10 gig sizes and have
> freedos recognize the fat 32 partitions thus created?
10 GB is much smaller than 2 TB, so there is no problem
So, if I translate this.
The person wanting to consider freedos, could not do as I can do on my ms
dos 7.1 system, format a 20 gig drive split it into 10 gig sizes and have
freedos recognize the fat 32 partitions thus created?
Likewise they would be limited to a 2 gig drive regardless in freedos
Hi, to continue the thread...
Slightly below 2 GB are the normal limit for classic FAT16,
although variants exist. However, if you use FAT32, then
you could put 2 TB into a single drive letter! A Terabyte
is 1000 or 1024 Gigabyte, depending on whom you ask ;-)
Another limit is the MBR partitioni
Op 11-11-2012 19:57, Karen Lewellen schreef:
> realizing there may be other answers, let me try that again.
> you are saying if one intends installing freedos as the only operating
> system on a hard drive it cannot see a drive larger than 2 gig at all?
> or are you saying that it only creates fat
realizing there may be other answers, let me try that again.
you are saying if one intends installing freedos as the only operating
system on a hard drive it cannot see a drive larger than 2 gig at all?
or are you saying that it only creates fat 16 partitions with the gig
limit?
Meaning you canno
Op 11-11-2012 16:22, Karen Lewellen schreef:
> Hi folks,
> Asking for the person still doing that Dr dos 703 thing.
> What is the largest drive capacitor for the current edition of freedos?
> Thanks,
> Karen
2 terabyte total disksize is the maximum allowed for a single
MBR-partitioned storage dev
Hi folks,
Asking for the person still doing that Dr dos 703 thing.
What is the largest drive capacitor for the current edition of freedos?
Thanks,
Karen
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