Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-09 Thread Karl Lattimer
http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/doc Dirk Meyer wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the better solution would be to make better documentation and to implement a small utilitie with wich freevo (or lirc) can simply learn keys from your remote by pressing buttons and pointing at your sensor.

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-09 Thread Karl Lattimer
I've been reading bits of this thread and would like to add some of my own idea's on the commercial viability of freevo. Currently I see freevo as a product of great value, to myself as a user and to my group of friends who all enjoy the capabilities it provides. I would happily buy this softwa

[Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-09 Thread Dirk Meyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So the better solution would be to make better documentation and to > implement a small utilitie with wich freevo (or lirc) can simply learn keys > from your remote by pressing buttons and pointing at your sensor. Yes. Much is possible with the latest release, you can c

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-09 Thread Richard van Paasen
Citeren [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | Who is using freevo. The typical freevo user is IMHO someone who is willing | to undergoe the sometime very annoying troubles of a linux installation with | several undocumented software elements. Yes, I like to spend many hours on trivial, but hard-to-solve problems..

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-09 Thread tobe
There is another thought that has to be considered after reading this... > I think you are completely missing the point. The idea isn't to force > everyone to use the same remote. Everything will still be the same as > it is now. The software is the same, LIRC still works, etc. There are > two min

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-08 Thread Zach Lym
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:39:32 -0800, "Mike Payson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I think you are completely missing the point. The idea isn't to force > everyone > to use the same remote. Everything will still be the same as it is now. > The > software is the same, LIRC still works, etc. There are t

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-08 Thread Mike Payson
I think you are completly missing the point. The idea isn't to force everyone to use the same remote. Everything will still be the same as it is now. The software is the same, LIRC still works, etc. There are two minor differences, though. First, The documentation can be more specific, since the

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-08 Thread Eric Jorgensen
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:33:48 +0100 (MET) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The problem with such actions is, that you are leaving the spirit of > linux. The OpenSource idea is what made software like freevo and it's > components what they are today. If you make them commercial, no matter > how, you are d

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-08 Thread Jesper Mathiassen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with such actions is, that you are leaving the spirit of linux. The OpenSource idea is what made software like freevo and it's components what they are today. If you make them commercial, no matter how, you are discouraging people to contribute. Standartisation

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-08 Thread tobe
Hi, there is a serious risk in the following musings: > > One thing that scares me is lack of standardization. Especially with > > Freevo remotes, as they use nothing but 3rd party vendor solutions. It > > would be cool if we could make a standard remote spec. The > > instructions on how to bu

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-07 Thread Mike Payson
> One thing that scares me is lack of standardization. Especially with > Freevo remotes, as they use nothing but 3rd party vendor solutions. It > would be cool if we could make a standard remote spec. The > instructions on how to build them are on the site. It would also be a > cool way to make

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-07 Thread Tobias Bulla
Hi, I was reading the discussions on interface design and have some objections to one of those proposals: > One of the things I mentioned before is that it would be great if we > could use > Daap somehow to create a similar music navigation structure as in iTunes > (using Genre, Artist, Album an

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-06 Thread Zach Lym
On Dec 6, 2004, at 11:20 AM, Robert Kortenoeven wrote: > > On Dec 4, 2004, at 10:26 PM, Zach Lym wrote: > >> On Dec 2, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Robert Kortenoeven wrote: >> >>> Interesting issues. I've been pretty bad with providing User >>> Interface >>> input, but I still would >>> like to contribute.

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-06 Thread Robert Kortenoeven
On Dec 4, 2004, at 10:26 PM, Zach Lym wrote: On Dec 2, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Robert Kortenoeven wrote: Interesting issues. I've been pretty bad with providing User Interface input, but I still would like to contribute. UI design for consumer products is the work I do on a daily basis and Freevo is a gr

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-04 Thread Zach Lym
On Dec 2, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Robert Kortenoeven wrote: > Interesting issues. I've been pretty bad with providing User Interface > input, but I still would > like to contribute. UI design for consumer products is the work I do > on a daily basis and > Freevo is a great product. > > I cannot code eit

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-02 Thread Robert Kortenoeven
Interesting issues. I've been pretty bad with providing User Interface input, but I still would like to contribute. UI design for consumer products is the work I do on a daily basis and Freevo is a great product. I cannot code either (no matter how much I want to, I don't know where to start).

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-02 Thread Richard van Paasen
Citeren Zach Lym <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: | ... | But Jef puts a special | emphisis on modes. Modes are VERY VERY VERY bad. Yes in the 'vi' way (edit/review modes) they are terrible. But, in the Startrek series, where the light turns dim and red light flashes on when the enterprise crew is to go int

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-01 Thread Zach Lym
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:05:18 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Actually, I find freevo's interface pretty good. > It's clean, it's simple and I never have any trouble finding what I want. Ahh, good! I'm very glad to be hearing this postive feedback from so many people You probably find it intuit

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-01 Thread mplayer
Actually, I find freevo's interface pretty good.   It's clean, it's simple and I never have any trouble finding what I want. As to modesum, ok, it's all very nice complaining about modes, but without suggestions as to how it could be done better, it's of no use at all. (to introduce the stra

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-01 Thread Zach Lym
Yes, of course it would remain remote friendly :) I have heard good things on Alan Cooper's book. I would like to read it along with The Design of Everyday Things. It does not explain the underlying science of human computer interaction, or how to test it. Jef's book is more of a shortcut, readi

Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-01 Thread Evan Hisey
Zach- As long as the interface remains remote friendly I wold love to see what you got. Also if you have not read it I recommend reading Alan Cooper's "The inmates are running the Asylum" A good book on why UI's seem to be inevitably bad. Dirk- In that case I would say you did real good on

[Freevo-users] Re: Anyone into interface design?

2004-12-01 Thread Dirk Meyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyone out there read Jef Raskins book The Humane Interface, or know > about the GOMS keystroke analysis? If so could you rate for me the > Freevo interface? No, and freevo is my only user interface I ever worked on. At work, I do background stuff like server programs o