Re: [FRIAM] Science and Art

2008-12-27 Thread Steve Smith
Jack Leibowitz wrote: Steve, I understand your point. I do think we need to make a distinction between technological efforts and fundamental research into basic mysteries of the physical world. The desire to shed light on the latter is , in itself, a humanizing experience, in the same spirit

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

2008-12-27 Thread Owen Densmore
Hmm..I think there's a simpler question that I would like to ask: What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text in, text out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks? I guess the most likely answer is none just use the browser and build a trivial

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

2008-12-27 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text in, text out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks? Javascript! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St.

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

2008-12-27 Thread Owen Densmore
On Dec 27, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text in, text out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks? Javascript! Well, it is certainly lurking on all of our systems that have a browser, that's

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

2008-12-27 Thread Russ Abbott
JavaScript sure seems like a simple solution. Here's a primitive version of one possibility. html head script function transform(input) { output.value = transformed version of:\n + input; } /script /head body Copy the text to be translated into this text area and press Go. br / textarea id =

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

2008-12-27 Thread Owen Densmore
I *like* it! Probably the most universal, and can even be run locally. Possibly even as a bookmarklet. And luckily for all of us, the DOM standards let javascript access user input in a fairly elegant way. BUT: the pipe paradigm of unix shells allows you to have the input be a file

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

2008-12-27 Thread Russ Abbott
Before sending that script I looked for a way for JavaScript to access the local file system. I couldn't find one. Sorry. But that doesn't mean there isn't one. -- Russ On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: I *like* it! Probably the most universal, and can

Re: [FRIAM] art and science

2008-12-27 Thread Phil Henshaw
How about listing some of the true open questions, you know, what's missing from the view of science?That would be a kind of scientific use of art. So many of the 'portals' between mental universes seem to be through their respective dark matter. Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

2008-12-27 Thread Russ Abbott
An interesting feature of this thread is that at first I thought you were after the best scripting language or something like that. When I finally understood that what you wanted really was the most widely accessible scripting language, the question took on a completely different meaning. It

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

2008-12-27 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Owen Densmore wrote: BUT: the pipe paradigm of unix shells allows you to have the input be a file and the output to be piped into a file or another program. The browser can be used as a hierarchical blackboard (the DOM) between a producer and a consumer while JavaScript 1.7's `yield' can switch

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

2008-12-27 Thread Douglas Roberts
There is still the issue of Javascript implementation portability. You can't count on each vendor adhering to standards. If you are lucky, the code that you want to implement will run on all browsers. Worst case, you will have to sniff the OS browser and branch accordingly. It is a lot more

Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?

2008-12-27 Thread Owen Densmore
Russ, Marcus: Thanks for yet another push for me hussle javascript a bit more. This is a good reminder as to why javascript is so cool: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/A_re-introduction_to_JavaScript I found a great book as well: Javascript, the Good Parts .. here's video from the

Re: [FRIAM] art and science

2008-12-27 Thread Russ Abbott
Hi Jack, I'd like to take advantage of your post to raise an issue that is related--but not directly--to what you are discussing. You wrote, What has made mathematics so important in science, especially physics, is the need for replacing word-fuzziness with precision in prediction.* * Although

Re: [FRIAM] art and science

2008-12-27 Thread chris
A fascinating discussion. E.O. Wilson made much the same point in his book Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge, where he argued that a narrow reliance on mathmatics had destroyed philosophy in particular, while in general an increasing reliance on specialization and mathmatics had handicapped