Re: [FRIAM] In the theater of consciousness

2009-10-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Jochen I am taking the liberty of moving our conversation into consciousness (See Jochen's note below). Perhaps the list can do a weekend seminar on it. thanks for the reference. I have down loaded it, and now I must read it. I confess I have done that snotty thing of looking in the refere

Re: [FRIAM] In the theater of consciousness

2009-10-24 Thread Stephen Thompson
Nick: Without intending to "set you off" can you explain a bit about your displeasure at 'cognitive scientists'? Are they too loose in their work; an academic mash-up with no real direction; something else; or all of the above ? Just interested to hear your story... Thanks, Steph T (lurker

Re: [FRIAM] In the theater of consciousness

2009-10-24 Thread Roger Critchlow
So, this Baars fellow who you're discussing, this is the Bernard J Baars whose home page at http://vesicle.nsi.edu/users/baars/ links to copies of all the books and papers under discussion? -- rec -- On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Stephen Thompson wrote: > Nick: > Without intending to "set yo

Re: [FRIAM] In the theater of consciousness

2009-10-24 Thread Jochen Fromm
Yes. You can find the text of his 1988 book "A cognitive theory of consciousness" there. I borrowed it this week from the university library (we have got a new one here in Berlin, see here http://bit.ly/2ELIaK ). The theory seems to be rather weak, I think the best thing in his "theory" is the t

Re: [FRIAM] In the theater of consciousness

2009-10-24 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Jochen, I have not read Baars, but... One of the problems with the cognitive theatre metaphor (and most other dualistic metaphors) is that it makes the modeler's life harder NOT easier. Let us assume that, at the most fundamental level, my consciousness is about my keeping in touch with the world