Re: [FRIAM] holism vs. reductionism, again

2010-03-31 Thread sarbajit roy
Confining ourselves within the scientific boundaries you have set 1) I see so many non-computable biological examples everywhere and everyday, that I ponder on the politics, compulsions and funding of university driven academia that result in the exponential explosion of niche "pseudo-science"art

Re: [FRIAM] holism vs. reductionism, again

2010-03-31 Thread glen e. p. ropella
You make some interesting points; but they're phrased in a way that makes it difficult to respond. I'll just tick off a few things I think stand out. I don't think it's very easy to justify the assertion that any given biological system is non-computable. It seems to me that such a justificatio

Re: [FRIAM] holism vs. reductionism, again

2010-03-31 Thread Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky
Hi Glen, You did an admirable job of trying to be reasonable. Sarbajit may sound edgy but in large part he is essentially pointing to something substantive. He may embellish and inflame but nevertheless your response indicates your own awareness of the same issues. What disturbs me is that both of

[FRIAM] definition of complexity

2010-03-31 Thread Roger Critchlow
Carlos Gershenson's definition to be included in Springer's Encyclopedia of Astrobiology: http://arxiv.org/abs/1003.5947 -- rec -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, arc

Re: [FRIAM] holism vs. reductionism, again

2010-03-31 Thread Victoria Hughes
Allright you all- Although chiming in without having read the entire thread is probably an error with you all, re Vladimyr's intriguing comments below: I agree completely, although I do not see this as an uncomfortable conclusion. I see it as less hubristic and more integrated. Must be my