Re: [FRIAM] 99%, occupyWallStreet, Santa Fe, etc.

2011-10-27 Thread Carl Tollander
Group membership is not necessarily self-selecting. Perceiving group identity, deciding to be part of the group, working to be accepted into the group, and having the group 'accept' a member are different activities, and of course there are multiple groups with competing, occasionally dynamic

Re: [FRIAM] 99%, occupyWallStreet, Santa Fe, etc.

2011-10-27 Thread Carl Tollander
The issue may not be "how to get the advantaged to include the disadvantaged as part of 'their' group". The issue is that they do that by failing to see that anyone is disadvantaged. On 10/27/11 8:32 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote: Gillian, H tryingto put my evolutionary psychology hat on

Re: [FRIAM] 99%, occupyWallStreet, Santa Fe, etc.

2011-10-27 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I think these are the right questions, Eric. Given that people can be progroup and anti group and given that groups can be benign and vicious, how do we promote benign groupness. N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ERIC P. CHARLES Sent: Th

Re: [FRIAM] 99%, occupyWallStreet, Santa Fe, etc.

2011-10-27 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Gillian, H trying to put my evolutionary psychology hat on, and feeling like I am not doing it quite as well as I should Humans ARE "programed" to do things for the good of their groups. The question then is: How do we get people to feel as if they are part of a group? and How do we ge

Re: [FRIAM] 99%, occupyWallStreet, Santa Fe, etc.

2011-10-27 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Hi "360 a week (before tax). Ouch." is roughly what an average productive worker (and his large extended family) in a LDC survives on for a YEAR. It seems to me that a bunch of very rich nations led by the USA have gotten together and decided to "interfere" (citing human rights etc.) in the affai

Re: [FRIAM] 99%, occupyWallStreet, Santa Fe, etc.

2011-10-27 Thread Gillian Densmore
Interesting discution going on here. Feeling like one of the 99% on some levels. Rich Muray's proposed list on some levels makes sense. Higher min wage for example how are you suposed to actually live on $9.00 an hour? even full time that's only 360 a week (before tax). Ouch. Another one that stuck

Re: [FRIAM] 99%, occupyWallStreet, Santa Fe, etc.

2011-10-27 Thread Rich Murray
Since my remarks were perhaps tersely shocking, here is a clear overview by James Traverse: http://www.beingyoga.com/ [ For more, search Google "nonduality"... ] Know Thyself Be a Light unto Yourself "Form is Seeing and Seeing is Being." ~ Atmananda Krishna Menon "Being is Seeing and Seeing i