Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-16 Thread Jochen Fromm
I hear only Zombies all the time, have you watched too much Resident Evil films? -J. Sent from AndroidNicholas Thompson wrote:Robert,   I am sure my colleagues will see immediately the fallacy in your argument:  that it is a case of an Ad-Zombium argument.   Furthermore, it stipulates that

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Robert, I am sure my colleagues will see immediately the fallacy in your argument: that it is a case of an Ad-Zombium argument. Furthermore, it stipulates that Zombies have a mental life, since a mental life would seem to be necessary for pigheadedness, madness, OR solipsism. And since a

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-16 Thread Robert Holmes
Here's some grounds for denying the non-zombie's account of his zombieness: the non-zombie is mad or pig-headed or over-familiar with solipsism. Or a combination of all three. —R On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Nicholas Thompson < nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Robert, > > So, there

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-16 Thread Douglas Roberts
I have noticed that one is crankier than the other, now that you mention it, Steve. On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > Coming back to Santa Fe in a couple of weeks. Aren’t you guys GLAD?! I > am excited. > > Me too.. (glad and excited about your return)... I think you h

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist

2012-09-16 Thread Steve Smith
Coming back to Santa Fe in a couple of weeks. Aren't you guys GLAD?! I am excited. Me too.. (glad and excited about your return)... I think you have a different curmudgeon in you whilst int he high dry air than in the low wet kind... both welcome, but markedly different? ==

Re: [FRIAM] faith, zombies, and crazy people (was America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist)

2012-09-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Robert, You are quite right about the Original Zombie. But I want to continue the conversation about Cartesian Zombies. These are the ones that look like a duck, quack like a duck, walk like a duck, but they aren't ducks. I say I am a [Cartesian] Zombie. [I say you are, also, but that is

Re: [FRIAM] what's old is new again

2012-09-16 Thread Victoria Hughes
Good points, Mike. I see aggressive authoritarianism as a developmental stage. This behaviour did not start in the 20th century, it starts as humans develop a sense of individual self. Not just societies ( or "religions" ) but all human effort - from an infant growing to adulthood to our sh

[FRIAM] what's old is new again

2012-09-16 Thread Mike Oliker
Is the problem blowing up in the Middle East Islam or something else? On the one hand it is fully dressed up as Islam. It wears turbans, speaks Arabic quotes the Koran and the Hadith, issues Fatwas. Is seems fully Islamic and sounds like religious fanaticism. But, oddly, if you strip away the r