Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I dunno, steve. You seem right in the groove to me! Thought full technologist. I don't even have the technological thread. So they'lll exile me long before they exile you. -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Monday,

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
So, Marcus. You would make no changes in things as they are? Note that both Australia and Scotland have made changes in gun deaths recently by making changes in gun laws. N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [FRIAM] Simulations again

2012-12-18 Thread Owen Densmore
I love the difference in point of view between: I think therefore I am and Why is there something rather than nothing The first considers awareness primary, the second physics. I suppose quantum foam? .. you *can't* have nothing? The problem in the OP article seems to be a lack of a

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Leigh Fanning
This is a country producing substandard students unable to compete intellectually with their peers, with school budgets a perennial mess. It's also a country that primarily serves compliant, malleable girls in the school systems. Problem boys are fast-tracked to deficit drugs rather than

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Douglas Roberts
We have met the Enemy, and he is us. - Pogo On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Leigh Fanning le...@versiera.net wrote: This is a country producing substandard students unable to compete intellectually with their peers, with school budgets a perennial mess. It's also a country that primarily

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Dear Lee and Marcus, I am afraid I fell for a Liberal meme. It may, of course, be true, but at least so far as I can determine from a quick scan of the web, there is no consensus on the causality that I implied. So, at the moment, I guess it just comes down to values. I hate the damned

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Steve Smith
Hear hear! To all both of Marcus' and Leigh's comments and to Doug's quote from the most insightful cartoon philosopher of all! Leigh - As a (mostly) single father of two (now grown) daughters, I am very sympathetic with the (more common) single mothers who have had the burden (and

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread lrudolph
Dear Lee and Marcus, I am afraid I fell for a Liberal meme. It may, of course, be true, but at least so far as I can determine from a quick scan of the web, there is no consensus on the causality that I implied. So, at the moment, I guess it just comes down to values. I hate the

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 12/18/12 11:10 AM, Leigh Fanning wrote: It seems the entire surrounding group was out of touch. Was the father so removed that he spent no time with his son and simply paid off the mother to make a problem go away so he could continue his wealthy much better than yours life? Are we really

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Douglas Roberts
Perhaps the kid came by his insanity honestly, living with a gun-obsessed survivalist mother who was convinced that society was about to end. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248983/Connecticut-school-shooting-Adam-Lanzas-survivalist-mother-obsessed-guns.html On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Lee, Your response is self-contradictory. Hating values IS a value.And besides, I know you are full of the damned things. (values). N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of lrudo...@black.clarku.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:44 AM

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Douglas Roberts
Sorry Nick: hating values is an action. Verb, not a noun. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Lee, Your response is self-contradictory. Hating values IS a value.And besides, I know you are full of the damned things. (values). N

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Technically I think it's a gerund http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gerund, as in 'my hating is stronger than yours' which makes it a noun. On 12/18/12 12:48 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: Sorry Nick: hating values is an action. Verb, not a noun. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Nicholas Thompson

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 12/18/12 2:03 PM, Carl Tollander wrote: It seems to me the knee-jerk response to this sort of thing is to improve detection and mitigate consequences, as with gun control I'd guess detection can and will be defeated by someone like this (in part because he probably has someone helping him,

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Carl Tollander
I wasn't referring to the most recent crazy murder-suicide incidents. More towards the fetish folks who collect guns against the day when they'll be able to justify their use.Or the guy who open carries around a handgun loaded with hollowpoints on the day somebody dents his car and he

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Whoops. Category error alert! You are quite. Values ARE actions. A meta-action. And it is probably not VALUES, we hate, but values-talk, and we probably hate it because it so rarely correspond to action. In truth, a person's values are what they are helpless to not do. Nick From:

Re: [FRIAM] Simulations again

2012-12-18 Thread Arlo Barnes
I doubt a convincing Turing test will ever be made, so while we are still just playing around with the idea, another thing to consider is that the gamemaster, being lazy, does not have to create a compelling game (with just the right amount of challenge, as you mentioned); s/he simply has to alter

Re: [FRIAM] How to avoid shootings

2012-12-18 Thread Arlo Barnes
To add on to that, the original values-hating email was not a contradiction - Lee did not claim he did not have values, just that he hated them. In fact, perhaps someone would care less about values one way or the other if they did not have them. From my perspective, because values seemingly

Re: [FRIAM] Simulations again

2012-12-18 Thread Carl Tollander
Hmm, ok IF one were a sim, then one would have no way of knowing whether one's actions were efficacious or if the response one saw from one's environment were some activity slightly disconnected from one's actions. This might amount to testing whether some aspect of one's environment were an

Re: [FRIAM] Simulations again

2012-12-18 Thread Arlo Barnes
Apropos of the Turing Test: collision detection: The female Turing Testhttp://www.collisiondetection.net/mt/archives/2005/04/most_people_thi.php (that is a good blog by the way). Wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test#The_standard_interpretation also covers the topic pretty well. So it