Re: [FRIAM] Key Lime Pie

2013-03-17 Thread Arlo Barnes
I was trying to find a good blog with a short ugly name starting with G which had a post using Key Lime Pie as a metaphor (in addition to a criticism of the blink tag and a link to Julian Dibbell's *A Rape in Cyberspace*) but my Google skills have failed me. However, I did find a class blog

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Opinion: The Internet is a surveillance state - CNN.com

2013-03-17 Thread Sarbajit Roy
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/new-attacks-on-ssl-decrypt-authentication-cookies/ Gmail's / Google's single factor authentication was facing problems all of yesterday. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/google-plus-gmail-suffer-temporary-disruption/373250-11.html On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:39 AM

[FRIAM] Fwd: Opinion: The Internet is a surveillance state - CNN.com

2013-03-17 Thread Owen Densmore
I've mentioned turning off 3-rd party cookies. Here Bruce Schneier, author of the cyber-math texts and several security books (Secrets and Lies my fav so far) discusses just how pervasive tracking is. Reading between the lines, I believe 3-rd party cookies are part of this particular game, althou

Re: [FRIAM] Fred Davis, The Looking Glass: Language as Mirror 2013.03.13: Jerry Katz, Nonduality Salon: Rich Murray 2012.03.16

2013-03-17 Thread Rich Murray
Steve, I really enjoy and on a deep level trust your sharings with me -- you are a kindred pioneer, which is a rare treat in my life to find. I've noticed I'm unable to tell if someone is "far ahead of me", so I aim at "accepting the fullness of the other's power" and "letting them all the way in

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

2013-03-17 Thread Arlo Barnes
Steve, thank you for linking the WikiMedia Commons SVG, I like vector graphics, particularly ones that are also infographics. However, it does not display what is really going on with DST. Although everybody has stories about how it came about and was implemented and why (for factories, for gas lam

Re: [FRIAM] Now for something completely different: Mac iPad Mini Phone

2013-03-17 Thread Gary Schiltz
I like to put on +3 reading glasses and pretend I have the eyes of an 16 year old :-) On my iPhone 4S, with the higher pixel density, i can read a full page of an average tech book, in portrait mode with the reading glasses. But it would be considerably more comfortable to read on a slightly bi

Re: [FRIAM] Now for something completely different: Mac iPad Mini Phone

2013-03-17 Thread Owen Densmore
Oops, forgot the parent article with even more links, sorry: http://www.tuaw.com/2013/02/08/using-your-ipad-mini-as-a-phone/ On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > I should-a known: http://bitwhich.com/2013/02/15/how-to-use-ipad-as-phone/ > > Why the hi res display? Do you

Re: [FRIAM] Now for something completely different: Mac iPad Mini Phone

2013-03-17 Thread Owen Densmore
I should-a known: http://bitwhich.com/2013/02/15/how-to-use-ipad-as-phone/ Why the hi res display? Do you mean the sub-pix retina display? Or more pixels? What's the issue? -- Owen On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote: > I don't have one, but plan to get one when it comes o

Re: [FRIAM] Now for something completely different: Mac iPad Mini Phone

2013-03-17 Thread Gary Schiltz
I don't have one, but plan to get one when it comes out with a higher resolution display. Gary On Mar 17, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > There, that got your attention. [Doug sez: yawn!] > > I'm thinking about my next phone, the contract is reaching an end. > Google/Android: Fail

[FRIAM] Now for something completely different: Mac iPad Mini Phone

2013-03-17 Thread Owen Densmore
There, that got your attention. [Doug sez: yawn!] I'm thinking about my next phone, the contract is reaching an end. Google/Android: Fail (Thanks Doug) Moz still interesting. But. Sooo.. It occurred to me to consider an iPad Mini. But they don't seem to get a lot of press. I did run across

Re: [FRIAM] fASCIIsm and half-ASCII users.

2013-03-17 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 3/17/13 5:15 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: Python takes its indentation very personal. What is the justification is there for having for so many languages? 1) A formatting style that communicates information to human readers, but nothing to the interpreter or compiler. 2) A grammar that is

Re: [FRIAM] fASCIIsm and half-ASCII users.

2013-03-17 Thread Douglas Roberts
Python takes its indentation very personal. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: > On 3/17/13 9:46 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > >> Python allows the developer to introduce all kinds of interesting >> indentation errors, as I discovered after moving some blocks of code around

Re: [FRIAM] fASCIIsm and half-ASCII users.

2013-03-17 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 3/17/13 9:46 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: Python allows the developer to introduce all kinds of interesting indentation errors, as I discovered after moving some blocks of code around. Right, just like don't ignore the associativity of multiplication and division.. Marcus ==

Re: [FRIAM] WYSIWIS

2013-03-17 Thread Gary Schiltz
Speaking of color, and humorous variations on WYSIWIG, my favorite is WYSIWIP, which said that (pre-Windows, DOS) Microsoft programmers drink Coca Cola, whereas Mac programmers drink Mountain Dew: Coca Cola goes in brown and comes out yellow, whereas Mountain Dew goes in yellow and comes out yel

Re: [FRIAM] WYSIWIS

2013-03-17 Thread Douglas Roberts
I wrote my first novel 30-odd years ago using WordStar on a NorthStar Horizon Z80A CP/M machine. Which was fortunate, because it made it relatively easy 30-odd years later when I was finally ready to get it published. Fortunately I had enough foresight back then to push a copy up to one of my Unix

[FRIAM] less

2013-03-17 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Does anyone have any decent experiences with Less they can share? Robert C FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/list

[FRIAM] Yet Another, Tower of Babel, Cambrian Explosion

2013-03-17 Thread Steve Smith
Josh sed: Also surprised Owen hasn't brought Markdown into the mix here. Seems like the perfect ASCII/monospace style for meaningful formatting. The nice thing about "standards" is we have so many to choose from! - Andy Tanenbaum ( http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Andrew_S._Tanenbaum ) Markdown

Re: [FRIAM] WYSIWIS

2013-03-17 Thread Owen Densmore
+1 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Joshua Thorp wrote: > Also surprised Owen hasn't brought Markdown into the mix here. Seems like > the perfect ASCII/monospace style for meaningful formatting. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listse

Re: [FRIAM] Key Lime Pie

2013-03-17 Thread Douglas Roberts
Yes, Steve, but Einstein was not as stubborn as me. He was smarter, though. --Doug On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: > Doug, > > Have you tried returning your Nexus 4, asking for your money back and > buying a different phone? > > You've exchanged now for 4 phones expect

Re: [FRIAM] Key Lime Pie

2013-03-17 Thread Stephen Guerin
Doug, Have you tried returning your Nexus 4, asking for your money back and buying a different phone? You've exchanged now for 4 phones expecting different results? Doesn't Einstein have a quote about this? -S On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > This message is all about

[FRIAM] Key Lime Pie

2013-03-17 Thread Douglas Roberts
This message is all about Key Lime Pie. If you are in any way *whatsoever*interested in Key Lime Pie, then by all means endure the tedium of cutting, and then (oh the drudgery) pasting this linkout of your ascii

Re: [FRIAM] WYSIWIS

2013-03-17 Thread Douglas Roberts
No, WordStar was the perfect ASCII/monospace style tool. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Joshua Thorp wrote: > Also surprised Owen hasn't brought Markdown into the mix here. Seems like > the perfect ASCII/monospace style for meaningful formatting. > > > On Mar 17, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Steve Sm

Re: [FRIAM] fASCIIsm and half-ASCII users.

2013-03-17 Thread Douglas Roberts
I usually let emacs decide the "tabs vs. spaces" issue. Cue the vi vs. emacs war... On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Joshua Thorp wrote: > Hah and you get perilously close to the long standing battle of spaces or > tabs? And if tabs what should the width of a tab be? > > The answer, by the w

Re: [FRIAM] WYSIWIS

2013-03-17 Thread Joshua Thorp
Also surprised Owen hasn't brought Markdown into the mix here. Seems like the perfect ASCII/monospace style for meaningful formatting. On Mar 17, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > Two things come to mind on this topic: >Tower of Babel >Uncanny Valley > > (I hope my indentation,

Re: [FRIAM] fASCIIsm and half-ASCII users.

2013-03-17 Thread Joshua Thorp
Hah and you get perilously close to the long standing battle of spaces or tabs? And if tabs what should the width of a tab be? The answer, by the way, is just say no to tabs. Spaces all the way. :) --joshua On Mar 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > Python allows the developer t

Re: [FRIAM] WYSIWIS

2013-03-17 Thread Steve Smith
Two things come to mind on this topic: Tower of Babel Uncanny Valley (I hope my indentation, use of Case and parenthesis didn't throw anyone off too far!) When the Web was young, Print Designers went simply *apeshit* over this new HTML thing, in both senses of the term. Some had a g

Re: [FRIAM] fASCIIsm and half-ASCII users.

2013-03-17 Thread Douglas Roberts
Python allows the developer to introduce all kinds of interesting indentation errors, as I discovered after moving some blocks of code around. --Doug On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: > On 3/17/13 9:03 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > >> So gentle reader, you'll see that WYSIW

Re: [FRIAM] fASCIIsm and half-ASCII users.

2013-03-17 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 3/17/13 9:03 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: So gentle reader, you'll see that WYSIWIS is a kindness to all and a Great Way to get along with each other. For code, if there is to be standard formatting it should encode information. Like Python and Haskell, not C or Java or JavaScript. Then there is

Re: [FRIAM] WYSIWIS

2013-03-17 Thread Douglas Roberts
I don't think so, Owen. I'd much rather listen to people bitch & whine about this. So entertaining. Almost as much fun as listening to people bitch & whine about Google killing off Reader

[FRIAM] WYSIWIS

2013-03-17 Thread Owen Densmore
It is a bit humorous: the "What You See Is What I See" idea .. and its little brother WYSIWYG, but there is also an interesting point to be made. It seems to be _hard_ to obtain! This is one of the reasons, IMHO, that twitter is so popular. I've started using it quite a bit simply because it _is

Re: [FRIAM] fASCIIsm and half-ASCII users.

2013-03-17 Thread Owen Densmore
In Praise of Ascii (well, unicode .. but) There is a very modern, entirely new technology: WYSIWIS What is WYSIWIS you may ask, well What You See Is What I See Much like its earlier sibling, WYSIWYG .. it is a contract between two entities to agree on what is viewed. In WYSIWYG's case, a p

Re: [FRIAM] Fred Davis, The Looking Glass: Language as Mirror 2013.03.13: Jerry Katz, Nonduality Salon: Rich Murray 2012.03.16

2013-03-17 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I think you have all gone crazy. I would sooner be hugged with arms and reasoned to with words, than the other way around. N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Rich Murray Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:50 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Com

[FRIAM] Doug should not look at this!

2013-03-17 Thread Steve Smith
It might crash his neocortex! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] Fred Davis, The Looking Glass: Language as Mirror 2013.03.13: Jerry Katz, Nonduality Salon: Rich Murray 2012.03.16

2013-03-17 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/17/13 12:49 AM, Rich Murray wrote: There's no evidence except direct subjective experience of fleeting perceptions and remembered perceptions within the present moment of your own awareness -- so the son of man has no place to lay his head... -- turns out that awareness has no limits -- no b