Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

If everything is fields, how do fields transfer energy from one to another? (I still have to read Hobson papers.) *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

leptons- I think it is all "intermediate vector bosons"... or maybe I just like the way that phrase sounds? -boson Thanks for all the answers. To answer John's question first, magnetism doesn't seem miraculous (it's too familiar), but I can't say I understand how it works. It was just that q

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

+2 ! How forces work: Theres the dark forces and light forces with all persistant and guide your destiny. They push against each other yet somehow balance out. With enough of the dark forces you can choke people you deem incompitent, or shoot lightning from your hands. I hope that helps ans

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

Russ, I think Bruce was using the traditional photon explanation (particles, or particle/waves as primitives) as a setup to introduce the more novel approach of treating fields as primitives. This is more appealing to me and tends to be how we write agent-based models that scale. In fact, one of

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

I like the question. I wonder what the answer will be? N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of John Kennison Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:07 PM To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Ho

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

Thanks for all the answers. To answer John's question first, magnetism doesn't seem miraculous (it's too familiar), but I can't say I understand how it works. It was just that question about magnetism that Feynman was asked as the start of the video in w

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

Russ, Before people knew about magnetism, it must have seemed miraculous that two stones would spontaneously start to move toward (or away from) each other. Now we can say, "Oh, it's just magnetism". But if we think about long enough, we may still wonder how two objects can move toward or away

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

(bad joke aside): Russ do you have a specific type of force group of forces in mind? On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Russ Abbott wrote: > One of the replies to my question on StackExchange was that what really > mattered was that something is accelerated. Since acceleration is really(?) > a mat

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

Aya, it turns out Bruce recently unsubscribed from FRIAM. I hope you guys on the list are happy with your signal to noise ratio ;-)Just kidding...keep it up. Anyway, Bruce, as I had hoped, had a nice response, albeit offlist. If you want to respond to this thread, please cc: Bruce. I copy his

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

How forces work: Theres the dark forces and light forces with all persistant and guide your destiny. They push against each other yet somehow balance out. With enough of the dark forces you can choke people you deem incompitent, or shoot lightning from your hands. I hope that helps answers the qu

[FRIAM] Fwd: About - Gittip

Talking about digital ethics, this just popped up on John Resig's (JS Ninja) twitter stream: https://www.gittip.com/about/ The idea is to give a weekly "tip" to the folks you care about and who's work helps you too. -- Owen FRI

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

One of the replies to my question on StackExchange was that what really mattered was that something is accelerated. Since acceleration is really(?) a matter of a change in energy of the thing accelerated, perhaps the most fundamental interaction is the transfer of energy from one entity (whatever a

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

Along the lines that Lee is mentioning with fields being the first class objects, Bruce Sherwood may be able to illuminate some of the current thinking in Quantum Field Theory and how interpretations are made with respect to forces. Bruce? -Stephen On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, wrote: > Rus

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 04/19/2013 09:32 AM: > I'm contrasting compile-time assertions against run-time assertions, and > claiming the former is better when it can be achieved. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%E2%80%93Howard_correspondence That's awesome! Thanks for that link. It proves t

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

Owen - Now here's a deal! SitePoint, a well respected tech publisher, will sell you ALL their ebooks/videos for $97. Wow! This is the sort of evolution I was discussing under the "library" idea. And how does that work out for Ed, Pamela, Fred, Tory, Bruce, Ruth, et alii? Do they get $.000

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

I dunno, Owen, sounds like a business that may be in bankruptcy in a few weeks. -- rec -- On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Now here's a deal! SitePoint, a well respected tech publisher, will sell > you ALL their ebooks/videos for $97. Wow! This is the sort of evolutio

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

Roger - I fear you have something here... but I hate to give over to it. It is sending restless kids to detention where they learn from the rowdy kids there how to be rowdy, then send the rowdies to juvie where the nasties teach them... only to have 20% of our population in prison breeding ne

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

Now here's a deal! SitePoint, a well respected tech publisher, will sell you ALL their ebooks/videos for $97. Wow! This is the sort of evolution I was discussing under the "library" idea. On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:14 PM, SitePoint wrote: > ** > > Hi there, > > This is your last chance to get

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

Russ asks: > Is there a mechanistic-type explanation for how forces work? For example, > two electrons repel each other. How does that happen? Other than saying > that there are force fields that exert forces, how does the electromagnetic > force accomplish its effects. What is the interface/link/

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

Steve -- I think we do it not because every patented invention is an exemplar of the system, but because some patents are so brilliant that they make up for all the grief that the rest of them put us through. Sort of like public education? It's funny that you bring up patents, because I've been

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

Glen - 1) "It ain't over till it's over." 2) "You wouldn't have won if we had beaten you."  3) "If you're feeling good, don't worry. You'll get over it." 4) "Nobody goes there anymore...it's too crowded!" These aren't semantically circular, they're equivocations

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

Steve Smith wrote at 04/19/2013 11:55 AM: > And circling back to circular reasoning, how do we classify the Great > Yogi's many circular but dead-nuts-on aphorisms like the one above? > > # "It ain't over till it's over." > # "You wouldn't have won if we ha

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

Marcus - I didn't know you were working on the Biofuels project... very interesting work... I'm barely involved, but it is cool. An amazing thing to me about this the empirical side. For example, the center of integrated nanotechnologies can actually show individuals enzymes at work. Want t

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

Roger - What you're seeing is a new piece of common law being established. If a trademark holder does not defend a trademark by action in the marketplace, it loses it. If a patent holder does not market a patented drug which could save lives, it loses the patent. If a publisher fails to make i

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

On 4/19/13 11:59 AM, Steve Smith wrote: I didn't know you were working on the Biofuels project... very interesting work... I'm barely involved, but it is cool. An amazing thing to me about this the empirical side. For example, the center of integrated nanotechnologies can actually show indiv

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

Marcus - Usually it's programs related to stuff from papers (already LA-UR'ed), but on several occasions I've sat down a few weeks ahead of time and banged out new code (sometimes with vendor involvement). And on this occasion it was well into the wee hours of the night before the show in m

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

Roger - Ah, the local bookstore. I was in KMart yesterday to pick up a prescription, so I wandered the book/magazine aisle for a few minutes. A pretty humbling few minutes it was. Ah, the corner drugstore run by your uncle's best friend! Now we have KMart/WalMart/Walgreens/CVS/... and where

[FRIAM] How do forces work?

Yesterday I asked this questionon StackExchange: physics. Is there a mechanistic-type explanation for how forces work? For example, two electrons repel each other. How does that happen? Other than

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

On 4/19/13 11:11 AM, Steve Smith wrote: Back in my day, we had to LA-UR the posters that went along with the presentations at SC... do you have at least *that* level of description released? I know that is usually just enough info to get the saliva flowing, but sometimes those posters have all

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

Marcus - Hm. That sounds useful for my rhetoric. Is it published or at least described anywhere? I can't find it on the SC11 site. I have to open source some other code, so I'll throw that one on the list too. It was an exhibit, not part of the technical program. Back in my day, we had to LA-U

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

Roger - It's okay Glen, those results are high in the search because they're useful to people who search. The publisher is using the police powers of our government to enforce its monopoly on the book, but has chosen to limit its marketing efforts to the richest people in the world and told t

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

On 4/19/13 9:56 AM, glen wrote: Hm. That sounds useful for my rhetoric. Is it published or at least described anywhere? I can't find it on the SC11 site. I have to open source some other code, so I'll throw that one on the list too. It was an exhibit, not part of the technical program. Ok, as

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

Ah, the local bookstore. I was in KMart yesterday to pick up a prescription, so I wandered the book/magazine aisle for a few minutes. A pretty humbling few minutes it was. -- rec -- On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > Ah... the Commons! > > The "Little Red Hen" story is abo

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

It's okay Glen, those results are high in the search because they're useful to people who search. The publisher is using the police powers of our government to enforce its monopoly on the book, but has chosen to limit its marketing efforts to the richest people in the world and told the rest to go

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 04/18/2013 12:33 PM: > I'd need to fill out paperwork to distribute it. Ugh. I do not envy you from that perspective. > It's a 3D model of enzymatic degradation of cellulose. [...] Thus the > hybrid approach. Hm. That sounds useful for my rhetoric. Is it published or

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

Ah... the Commons! The "Little Red Hen" story is about a generous creature who tries to help create or enrich the Commons and ultimately must retreat to a selfish position because noone else will participate. Who here is as excited about contributing to or grooming the quality and value of t

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

I think this is a serious and yet sticky issue. Most of us expect to get paid for our work yet we want access to others' work for free. Many us have (or have had in the past) institutions who provide such access as a perq or means to do OUR work. Among us there are many retirees and a sign

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

Well, my point wasn't really related to the price. It's more about cost:benefit, or perhaps low hanging fruit. The cops tell us to lock our doors, not because locks keep out serious criminals, but because it puts a tiny hurdle in front of the lazy opportunist criminals. Seeing the bootlegs so h

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

In keeping with "warez", you could have Journalz, Paperz, Resultz, Rezearch :-) On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Sarbajit Roy wrote: > Seconded. > > If a resource is available it ought to be availed of. Its upto the copyright > holder to protect his work (and royalty stream). > > I'm trying to

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

Seconded. If a resource is available it ought to be availed of. Its upto the copyright holder to protect his work (and royalty stream). I'm trying to put together a "Pirate Party" in India for this. Sarbajit On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote: > What about independent rese