Re: [FRIAM] Strawson on consciousness.

2016-05-16 Thread Nick Thompson
Russ, You asked: Did becoming an experience monist change your life in any way? Exactly the right question to ask a pragmatist. If there is one thing a pragmatist should not be caught asserting is a distinction that does not make a difference. I don’t think, as I said, there is a l

Re: [FRIAM] Strawson on consciousness.

2016-05-16 Thread Nick Thompson
I agree, glen, that defining structures of experience to which we advert when we speak is the task. I don't think I have to believe that these structures are "flat". At the very least, I get first order, second order, and third order experiences. Pfft? Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus

Re: [FRIAM] Strawson on consciousness.

2016-05-16 Thread glen ⛧
What's missing are the methods for relating the patterns (including reachability - can you get there from here). It's fideistic to assert monism without giving some hypothetical method by which to resolve even 2 (much less billions) into 1. Consciousness seems to me to be at least a 2nd orde

Re: [FRIAM] Strawson on consciousness.

2016-05-16 Thread Russ Abbott
That sounds a lot like what Strawson was saying. Did becoming an experience monist change your life in any way? On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 11:50 AM Nick Thompson wrote: > Geez, Russ, who would have thought you were such a handsome old dog. > > > > Anyway, not sure how the Strawson thing is an ant

Re: [FRIAM] The Unbearable Asymmetry of Bullshit | Quillette

2016-05-16 Thread Roger Critchlow
There was a great sound bite from Mark Cuban to the effect that Trump is that guy who goes into a bar and will say whatever it takes to get laid. -- rec -- On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:09 PM, glen ⛧ wrote: > > I find the executive actions (EPA, immigration, title 9, etc.) > interesting. If we ass

Re: [FRIAM] Strawson on consciousness.

2016-05-16 Thread Nick Thompson
Geez, Russ, who would have thought you were such a handsome old dog. Anyway, not sure how the Strawson thing is an antidote to “Thompsonism”. And which, Thompson, by the way. During the time we have been corresponding, you and I, I have gone from being a materialist monist a la E. B Holt

Re: [FRIAM] Strawson on consciousness.

2016-05-16 Thread Stephen Guerin
Thanks. Russ. I've sympathetic to that perspective on matter. Somewhat relatedly to the consciousness research, here's John Horgan's skeptical observation "Dispatch from the Desert " coverin

[FRIAM] Strawson on consciousness.

2016-05-16 Thread Russ Abbott
An antidote for Nick Thompsonism. I've summarized Galen Strawson's piece in the NYT on consciousness. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at

Re: [FRIAM] The Unbearable Asymmetry of Bullshit | Quillette

2016-05-16 Thread glen ⛧
I find the executive actions (EPA, immigration, title 9, etc.) interesting. If we assume Trump is really just an empty shell trying to get elected by the most convenient means, then an old argument about unelected bureaucrats running the country becomes more relevant. These entrenched employe