Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
Find a conflict-of-interest or a way to profit from government regulation, and you’ll find a way to predict the Trump administration. Remember this? http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/startup-aims-skirt-visa-limits-cruise-ship-foreign/story?id=18958353 From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Alfredo Covaleda Vélez
Looking at PISA results, you can see that most of today's talented boys were born and are growing outside USA. Your current government is closing doors to everybody, included talented ones, while your teenager's results in Maths and Science and Comprehensive Reading in PISA tests are pitiful

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - possibly paraphrased from a 1935 Sinclair Lewis novel. On 2/2/17 11:23 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: *“*Where are our shared values?” Once imposed, they will be our shared values.

[FRIAM] Brave (was The year ahead)

2017-02-02 Thread glen ☣
On 01/09/2017 02:57 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > If you try it, let us know how it goes. I don't intend to use Brave for now. I'm fairly committed to Firefox. But here's an interesting example of payments made by some arbitrary person on Twitter:

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
“Where are our shared values?” Once imposed, they will be our shared values. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/317542-trump-vows-to-destroy-the-johnson-amendment FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Joshua Thorp
Interesting article regarding making an argument based on the values of your opposition instead of your own. Makes sense but as is pointed out so hard to follow through on because why argue if not because of your own values? Where are our shared values? Are these the ones at the bottom center

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread glen ☣
On 02/02/2017 08:49 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > when do you know something like that is fully baked. Well, we know the answer to that is "never". We only need it to be baked enough for some use case. If your use case is to trick someone into thinking something that's false, then the baking

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Owen Densmore
Yup: *POSTED:*JAN 31 2017 05:33PM EST *UPDATED:*FEB 02 2017 09:38AM EST On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Roger: thanks for catching that. It was added after I saw the tweet and > the article. At least the False News was avoided, but sheesh, when do

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Owen Densmore
Roger: thanks for catching that. It was added after I saw the tweet and the article. At least the False News was avoided, but sheesh, when do you know something like that is fully baked. -- Owen On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Steve writes: > >

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
Steve writes: "I just hope he manages to do it without snapping off the masts and the wheelhouse, and then careens overboard before he sinks the entire ship, rats and all. Maybe there IS an awesome, high-tech ship-of-state or ship-of-society just over the horizon or beyond the fog of

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Steven A Smith
Steve writes: "I learned early in life that if a canoe is tipping to one side, you don't lean out the other, you drop to the bottom center, lower your center of gravity. Why is that so hard in sociopolitical contexts? Unless you want to tip into the drink!” Except that if we tip it

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
Steve writes: "I learned early in life that if a canoe is tipping to one side, you don't lean out the other, you drop to the bottom center, lower your center of gravity. Why is that so hard in sociopolitical contexts? Unless you want to tip into the drink!” Except that if we tip it over,

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Steven A Smith
Homo sapiens dramaticus And we *wonder* at why we live in such a polarized society? I learned early in life that if a canoe is tipping to one side, you don't lean out the other, you drop to the bottom center, lower your center of gravity. Why is that so hard in sociopolitical contexts?

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Gary Schiltz
Homo sapiens dramaticus On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > REC - > > Why do "we" do this? I mean the part about stretching the truth to > support our point, only to undermine our point? > > I don't have any trouble extrapolating from THIS story that the

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Steven A Smith
REC - Why do "we" do this? I mean the part about stretching the truth to support our point, only to undermine our point? I don't have any trouble extrapolating from THIS story that the ban and attendant delays *could have* caused the death in the way implied, but that isn't the same and

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

2017-02-02 Thread Roger Critchlow
If you read the linked article, you'll see that this Mom died several days before the executive order was signed. -- rec -- On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > We just got a lot dumber. > > (Terence Tao? Wow! Didn't know many of us followed him.