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< $13-16k per year is a huge number. Does this include "child care" .. i.e. taking care of the child for working parents? That is a lot more expensive than "pre-school". > Doggy day care is about half that. If a dog has the intelligence of a 2 year old, and pre-K child is 4, then a linear ext

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Owen, To be clear, our $1400 per month bill includes payment for a "shadow" (grandson says "stalker") who watches him closely and intervenes when necessary. Tuition is $800 for 3.5 hours, 3 days a week; the shadow is $600 per week. Most kids go 6 hours 4 or 5 days a week. But the kindergarten w

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> > I think the newspaper mentioned $13-16k per year. Does "scholarships" > mean they would have sent kids to existing private preschools or would SFPS > add their own? > ​Dunno. My eye caught the number of additional seats. I think they mentioned creating new facilities though. The existing pres

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I think the problem, George, is that we do not do that in any manner that is just and equitable. All we have to do is look around us. Interesting that you used the term "quasi-democracy." We are certainly a "mature" democracy, so what's missing? On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 6:50 PM, George Duncan wr

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Seems like an opportunity to make a post-Trump reading of the Kaczynski manifesto. There are different kinds of anarchists, of course. The Trump supporter that resonates here are the luddites. There are other kinds, suc

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Sorry, Merle, but I must disagree with your assessment that I miss the point. The issue is not whether some organizations (or people) are good or bad. The issue is whether in a particular case an organization (or person) takes actions that are good or bad. This viewpoint is central to the functioni

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Frank, what is clear to me is that pre-K delivered by students and graduates of the Harvard School of Ed (and equivalents) provides enormous positive benefits. This does not mean that pre-K delivered by graduates of NMHU (nor, probably, any of the schools of ed in this state) will provide the same

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I think the newspaper mentioned $13-16k per year. Does "scholarships" mean they would have sent kids to existing private preschools or would SFPS add their own? Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On May 3, 2017 5:59 PM, "Owen Densmore" wrote: > >Would a megabuck do that? >> >> We've been spe

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> > >Would a megabuck do that? > > We've been spending $1400 per month to send our grandson to pre-K. Next > year that may increase to $2000 for K. > ​Yikes! Is that typical?​ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:

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>Would a megabuck do that? We've been spending $1400 per month to send our grandson to pre-K. Next year that may increase to $2000 for K. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On May 3, 2017 5:28 PM, "Owen Densmore" wrote: > Well, the real point is that both preK and health are importan

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Merle, I appreciate the use of humor, which I take as conciliatory. Thanks. Without irony. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On May 3, 2017 5:28 PM, "Owen Densmore" wrote: > Well, the real point is that both preK and health are important. Better > yet, preK is likely to lead to bette

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Well, the real point is that both preK and health are important. Better yet, preK is likely to lead to better health, at least if we believe education leads to better health related choices. So how do we *get* preK? Indeed, why is it missing at all? As I recall, the goal was to raise enough in tax

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😁I thought to be nicer I'd leave Ted out. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just fed up with the bubble we've all been in for too long, and I've been spending a lot of time lately--at a very advanced age--with brilliant young activists, many of whom are (not a contradiction) thoughtful anarchis

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Nice of you to tell me and George what the point is. We were faculty in the same public policy school and feel competent to decide for ourselves. By the way, Ted Kaczinski, the Unabomber got a PhD at my alma mater. Best, Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On May 3, 2017 5:08 PM, "Merle

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Frank--I have no doubt everyone on the list understands how important pre-K is. Again, that's not the issue. What happened in Santa Fe yesterday set back two important policy initiatives for reasons that were not entirely holy. Thanks for the information about your wife being a graduate of Harvard

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You're missing the point George. This isn't about good guys and bad guys. This is about money, power, politics, and elite organizations. No crowd-funding there. Happy to send you information about how Pre-K is actually moving forward in Santa Fe with the public's tax money. On Wed, May 3, 2017

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Damn! And I didn’t see a dime of that! 2.1 millions, all together. Let’s guess that there are 40 thousand potential voters in Santa fe. A majority would be therefore 20,000. Each of you should have received at least 50 bucks! Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Bi

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My wife Deborah graduated from the Harvard Graduate School of Education having specialized in early childhood development. She has made it clear to me over the years that the benefits of pre-K are enormous cognitively and socially. Is that clear to everyone or would references be helpful? Frank

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​Hey, Merle, I don't remember forgetting where the money for this campaign came from. According to the AP, Campaign finance reports show New York billionaire Michael Bloomberg contributed $1.1 million to a pro-tax committee. The American Beverage Association spent $1.3 million against the tax.​ A

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You forget George, that the political Mafia that runs Santa Fe city government not only put together a stupidly doomed proposal, but also brought in outside money that MATCHED the amount of money brought in by corporate interests. Some of you may remember that $250,000 of outside money also came i

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Maybe what u are looking for is like this :- http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/AuthUser On 5/3/17, Gillian Densmore wrote: > Thanks for the idea Roy! > I think I want something possibly in the middle. I don't know how simple > that's to do though. > I have this wered picture in my head where I t

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Thanks for the idea Roy! I think I want something possibly in the middle. I don't know how simple that's to do though. I have this wered picture in my head where I think I want a way where some how some people can edit and subit articles together. But yet also to avoid trolling problems a moderato

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There are hierarchies for multi-user blogs. For eg. would you want multiple users to be able to edit the same article (like a wiki) ? Or do you want a single user to write "his" article, which an administrator can edit / delete. HTMLY (http://www.htmly.com) is light enough for the 2nd type of blo

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It seems to me that Santa Fe is sort of a spectator to the country. Many of the residents are retired. Other residents work for the military/industrial complex or tourism industries and are detached the poverty of the state. I think these kinds of unsustainable, desperation revenue measures ar

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Anyone like to bet that we will now address these issues "rationally" so that there will be either funding for Pre-K or disincentives for sugary drinks? I will take the opposite side of that bet. We now see the power of those corporate interests who will provide the millions of dollars needed to d

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Oh, and Elitism? Culturalism? Well the south side districts overwhelmly trounced it: 69% & 73% Even the most liberal districts were 50-50. -- Owen On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Voters smack down mayor’s beverage tax proposal > > http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news

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Voters smack down mayor’s beverage tax proposal http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/voters-smack-down-mayor-s-beverage-tax-proposal/article_3971faf0-2f9c-11e7-8374-532a52cd354f.html Now maybe we can focus on health, pre-K, etc rationally rather than tying them together idiotically.

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^ On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Call me old fashioned but I think the search for the Next Great Framework > is a never ending quest, always ending with yet another Better Great > Framework. > > The good news is that most folks know this now and the new direction is > for

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Call me old fashioned but I think the search for the Next Great Framework is a never ending quest, always ending with yet another Better Great Framework. The good news is that most folks know this now and the new direction is for much simpler solutions. Like: http://moonjs.ga/ and https://vuejs.or