Re: [FRIAM] against hysteria in all forms

Dave West wrote: > Drugs biggest winner of the election. Every measure in every > state/municipality won by at least 5%. and does that translate more broadly in (y)our mind(s) to an expansion of personal liberties that Dems and Libs (if not evangelical and traditional Conservatives?) can agree

Re: [FRIAM] against hysteria in all forms

Drugs biggest winner of the election. Every measure in every state/municipality won by at least 5%. And divided government means nothing gets done. there are silver linings in every cloud. Other than issues from recounts, especially in Wisconsin, I doubt the courts will have much say in

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Both cnn.com and foxnews.com report Biden will win Michigan and Wisconsin, and if he wins Arizona and Nevada too where he leads, he has 270 electoral votes. This means it looks good for Biden! All here hope that Joe wins.-J. Original message From: uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ Date: 11/4/20

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

The version I have heard is "If you aren't liberal when you're young, you don't have a heart. If you aren't conservative when you're old, you don't have a brain." On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 4:16 PM Steve Smith wrote: > I appreciate this point of view. In 2016 it seems like there was a lot > of

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

I appreciate this point of view.  In 2016 it seems like there was a lot of rhetoric about "vote in your own best self-interest" as a way to try to increase turnout or focus on why any individual should take voting seriously. Working at LANL for 27 years I heard *way* too many people there voting

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

I still think it's the projection/reduction from high dimensions to low that's the problem. While I largely agree that it's batshit crazy to, e.g. for Howie to run for President given the fate of every Green Party objective will suffer dramatically under Trump, it's still an overzealous and

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

It got us to be the largest economy, democracy, and military on earth.Where like, everyone wanted to come and live the dream. How about, just for shits and grins, we give their kid a loaded weapon to play with? Just to see what happens, you know.Could be interesting? I think I'm

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Easy for you to say. Like telling me to grow a pancreas. Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Marcus Well it is hard not to subscribe to someone who is scrupulously caring for your vacant house or another his dedicatedly married to your daughter. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com

Re: [FRIAM] against hysteria in all forms

Glen wrote: Division of the earth based on biome would make so much more sense than division based on strong-man war and "economic" power. John Wesley Powell's vision of 'governing like a watershed':     https://legacy.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2003/aug/water/part1.html And our

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Thanks, Rog. He's right, Nick. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Nov 4, 2020, 12:25 PM Roger Critchlow wrote: > Oh, go ahead and relax, what can you do about it? > > -- rec -- > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:12 PM Frank Wimberly

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Oh, go ahead and relax, what can you do about it? -- rec -- On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:12 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > Nick, > > See Glen's 270 to 267 estimate. Biden may still win either Georgia or > Pennsylvania or both because of the Democrat majority that is likely among > the uncounted

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Robert wrote: < It's those with insight who must make the concessions. > That’s certainly a point of view. Marcus - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe

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FWIW and then similarly someone came up with: /*It's those with insight who must make the concessions*/. (which sucks). On "half the country is batshit crazy" - to be generous a big percentage of voters were struggling making a living or making ends meet, raising kids, making payments, etc.,

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Nick wrote: < I know two trump supporters quite well. Mind you, we don't talk politics that much. Both are owners of small businesses who have led the highly regulated lives that folks must lead if they are going to make money in a politically diverse community. Both [thought they] saw

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Nick, Senate still undecided but it doesn't look great. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Nov 4, 2020, 11:14 AM wrote: > But we didn’t get the senate, right? > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and

[FRIAM] against hysteria in all forms

There is good news: 'Taking Sledgehammer' to Failed US Drug War, Oregon Votes to Decriminalize Narcotics as Five States Legalize Marijuana https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/04/taking-sledgehammer-failed-us-drug-war-oregon-votes-decriminalize-narcotics-five Those of us who waste our free

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

The fundamental challenge of being a liberal, in the classical sense, is that it obligates you to try to understand the desires and fears of those who disagree with you Boy, Howdy. You got that one right! Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

" they cannot under stand why I am scared by Trump, any more than I could understand why they were scared by Obama " I know it's a bit of a tangent... but is that actually true? I'm not sure I've ever found it overly hard to understand why other people are afraid of things I'm not. Talk to

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

One thing that confuses me is Trump being attributed 267 vs 268 EVs. But I suppose it could be Maine, with it's split representation: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-results-and-news-11-04-20/h_f5ca6d24c85ac45e193bf0b1c9b1a2f6 On 11/4/20 10:12 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Nick,

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

But we didn’t get the senate, right? Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Nick, See Glen's 270 to 267 estimate. Biden may still win either Georgia or Pennsylvania or both because of the Democrat majority that is likely among the uncounted votes. If any of that happens Biden wins with a margin. But it's too close for relaxation. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation

Eric – Sorry. good discussion. But I’m too busy being hysterical about the election right now. Please rekindle discussion when Penny has scraped me down off the walls. Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Gary, If you want to live in the bubble for a few more hours, try https://abc.com/watch-live/abc-news Marcus, The message I am getting from those folks is something like: "We tried rationality for 50 years and look where it got us; let's try crazy for 4 more years." I know two trump

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-president.html On 11/4/20 9:40 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote: > What source

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation

I mean... that Aristotle's 4 "causes" are all counted as "causes" is clearly arbitrary right?!? (At this point in the conversation.) The insight Aristotle is bringing to the table is that when someone points at something and asks "*Why?"*, we can answer that in multiple sensible ways. That English

Re: [FRIAM] ideological convergence, fringe fluidity, and the salad bar

I think it is merely personal. I don't get that "aura" from lefties. I definitely get it from the righties. I think that says more about you, as a person, and me, as a person, than it says anything generalizable about lefties or righties. It's mind boggling that you don't get that feeling

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

It is just the current evolving returns in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona. Not a done deal by any means. Yes, I am trading in my optimism for razor wire and surveillance cameras. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:  What source indicated those numbers?

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

What source indicated those numbers? On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > Biden has got a 270 vs. 267 last time I checked, assuming he can’t take > Pennsylvania. > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Gary Schiltz > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:37 AM > *To:* The

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

>From the Washington Post WASHINGTON - The U.S. Postal Service turned down a federal judge’s order late Tuesday afternoon to sweep mail processing facilities serving 15 states, saying instead it would stick to its own inspection schedule. The judge’s order came after the agency disclosed that

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Yeah, the main take home to me is the same as before: Almost half the country is batshit crazy. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve Right. So both the guardian and nyt

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Right. So both the guardian and nyt show called Biden: 227, Trump: 213 with PA(20), NC(15), and GA(16) toward Trump and MI(16), WI(10), NV(6), and AZ(11) toward Biden. 227+16+10+11+6 = 270 213+3+15+20+16 = 267 I don't think there's a reason to be optimistic ... cautiously or not. Regardless

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Biden has got a 270 vs. 267 last time I checked, assuming he can’t take Pennsylvania. From: Friam On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:37 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve Nick, I was rather wondering the same

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Nick, I was rather wondering the same thing myself. Frank, please toss us a thread-thin lifeline to help buoy the spirits of us bleeding heart liberals haha. Is your optimism somehow based on the number of uncounted mail-in ballots? On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 11:33 AM wrote: > Frank, > > > > I am

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

Frank, I am just waking up. (Yeah, I know.) I see that biden has to carry all the states where he is leading and at least one in which he is not. Can you tell me the basis for your cautious optimism? I need that right now. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

I’m not sure that Trump believes there is any chance the courts will help stop counting the vote. The other purpose for what he is doing is to create another grievance. Trump thrives on grievances, and a few more will only help his post-presidential career (right-wing broadcasting??).

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

I’m not sure that Trump believes that what he is doing will affect the vote count. My theory is that he might hope for that, but the other purpose is to create a grievance. Trump thrives on grievances and having a few more out there will give his post-presidential career (right-wing

[FRIAM] Election

Well, it isn't a landslide but I'm still optimistic. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam