Re: [FRIAM] What can or can't (shouldn't) be said on FriAM...

Is that quote by Cormac McCarthy? One of his novels? On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:55 PM Jon Zingale wrote: > """ > So, Jon, and all of you other ex-perts, Is it the case, or not? I can see > that it might be the case for those of you who, unlike me, MIGHT become > massively important to others

Re: [FRIAM] What can or can't (shouldn't) be said on FriAM...

""" So, Jon, and all of you other ex-perts, Is it the case, or not? I can see that it might be the case for those of you who, unlike me, MIGHT become massively important to others later on. But is it, or is it not, the case for we ordinary mortals. """ What I am making, perhaps too many,

Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

I did 205 mph on a motorcycle on the Bonneville Salt Flats; decades ago of course. Had I fallen off I would have been sanded down to the marrow of my bones before I stopped sliding. davew On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, at 3:31 PM, cody dooderson wrote: > Driving 200 km/h sounds really scary to me. I

Re: [FRIAM] What can or can't (shouldn't) be said on FriAM...

I do believe there is an inverse relationship between privacy and "importance" especially if we include under the umbrella of importance being a rock star, etc. or having a million followers on social media. davew On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, at 8:37 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Frank said:

Re: [FRIAM] What can or can't (shouldn't) be said on FriAM...

Frank said: "I assume our privacy follows from our lack of importance. To others." And then Jon Quoted it and said: This is the sense that I have always understood the statement: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Frank, Now if that aint a blessing in disguise. N. PS – Mixing Threads Alert! I suppose that the above is an example of the sin of “chatting while on FRIAM.” I confess to some ambivalence about the practice. On the one hand, I can imagine that it is of some annoyance to lurkers who

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

"I assume our privacy follows from our lack of importance. To others." This is the sense that I have always understood the statement: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..." That we,

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

I don't know, Nick. I assume our privacy follows from our lack of importance. To others. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 5:25 PM wrote: > Frank, > > > > Well, this may reflect my confusion between the permanence

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Frank, Well, this may reflect my confusion between the permanence publicness dimensions. I assume that the fear, particularly for the non-retired professionals on the site, might be that they might loose work because of some old thing they said on FRIAM. For that to be the case, FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] Forum abuse! (was Revising the American Revolution)

Marcus, I like a vigorous discussion but don't like it when people start to get pissed off. I often can't tell when you guys are pissed off, so I pull back when I think I am near the edge. I don't think it's reputational fear. Good Lord. I do stipulate to having feelings that can be hurt

Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

Dear Cody, Nobody has ever said those words before. I am profoundly touched. Nick Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of cody

[FRIAM] What can or can't (shouldn't) be said on FriAM...

Glen sed: As always, treating posts to a permanent, public forum like this as if they were chatty conversations seems ill-advised. I'm guilty of it, too. But ... tu quoque, I guess. I think I finally appreciate the key point you were making when you have said things like this before.   I

Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

Driving 200 km/h sounds really scary to me. I did ride in a train in Germany once that probably went about that speed, but I couldn't see out of the window. About the movie set shooting. The sheriff said, at a press conference, that it was an actual lead bullet. So I was wrong, and Nick Thompson

Re: [FRIAM] Forum abuse! (was Revising the American Revolution)

In my experience it is Nick that raises some dramatic (to him?) sounding topic, and then starts to backpedal w.r.t. appropriateness of the forum as soon as someone addresses it directly. It is confusing to me why retired people would be particularly cautious in their remarks. What

[FRIAM] Forum abuse! (was Revising the American Revolution)

How is what I wrote ad hominem? Suggesting you modernists might be suckered into a narrative? Calling you a modernist? Is "modernist" an insult? I just don't get it. Sorry. Re: what cannot be said - There are no sacred cows. Anything can be written. SteveG does step in to moderate, but rarely.

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Invoking Jesus.. Jesus, what desperation to protect this claim! From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursing_the_fig_tree --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 1:07 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > Apparently even Jesus was narcissistic. He was hungry when he saw a fig > tree. Upon discovering

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Apparently even Jesus was narcissistic. He was hungry when he saw a fig tree. Upon discovering that it had no fruit he zapped it so that it would never produce fruit. Or something like that. Any Bible scholars out there? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Hah, what was that you said about everyone being narcissistic? (I’m not so sure it is so.) From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:57 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution Nick,

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Nick, where did the concept come from that persons other than the participants will read these conversations? If you're referring to your hope that scholarly papers will emerge from this material won't that involve extensive review and editing? Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,

[FRIAM] My plan to disrupt education

The public education system in South Africa is largely broken. For those who can afford it, we have very good schools, but the majority cannot and the education options for them are bleak. I plan to do something about it. This is my second attempt. About three years ago I started a school as a

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Maybe recess and grade school sports are like a lab experiment for parents and teachers and they gain valuable insights (assuming it is not just sadistic)? I have no fond memories of T ball, more like PTSD! And dodge ball (sanctioned) set the stage for literal target practice on the weird

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

When a grown person says it, it's playful. When those little people on the playground say it, it's full of derision and crying sometimes follows. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 11:40 AM wrote: > Frank, > > > >

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Frank, Well, hang on there, big fella. “Scorn” is a bridge too far. As somebody famous once said, “I know my own intent.” I meant only to suggest – humorously, I hoped – that Glen and I had already entered the domain of play ground taunt with his … . But social contracts are only

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

It's a form of scorn and derision to say, for example, "You lose; I win". Very obnoxious. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 8:02 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > That's unhelpful. 8^D What does it mean? > > On 10/27/21 6:53 AM,

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Excellent! Thanks. My complete ignorance forced me to duckduckgo it. The results were mostly useless. But Urban Dict seems to work: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Neener-neener One of the definitions also raises the brinkmanship aspect Nick seemed to include (with "I'm more

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

On 10/27/21 7:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think.  It's heard on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s.  In Mexico they sing, "lero, lero, lero", using the same notes. It would seem there are many regional and

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

On 10/27/21 7:34 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: I have no idea how to respond to this post. I don't know what "neener, neener, neener" means, unfortunately. For some reason, I feel like King Arthur at the base of the French castle in The Holy Grail: https://youtu.be/QSo0duY7-9s I do believe that

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

That's unhelpful. 8^D What does it mean? On 10/27/21 6:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think.  It's heard > on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s.  In Mexico they sing, > "lero, lero, lero",  using the same notes. > > >

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think. It's heard on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s. In Mexico they sing, "lero, lero, lero", using the same notes. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed,

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

I have no idea how to respond to this post. I don't know what "neener, neener, neener" means, unfortunately. But the grand narrative I'm talking about is the (I suppose Rawlsian?) social contract, including the wall of ignorance. That's distinct, I think, from the altruism of joining a