Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Dave - > Previously, I noted: "Asserting that all is interpretation is an > invitation to engage in a conversation about "meaning" or "reality" > from a level playing field — i.e. absent any grant of privilege to one > interpretation over another; and, any expectation that somewhere, > somehow, ev

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

> By the way, speaking of etymology, to be hoist by one’s own petard is > to be ejected from one’s own saddle by the force of one’s own fart.  > Look it up. > And I grew up thinking it was a fancy way of saying "lift oneself by their own bootstraps" which was paradoxically both a physical impossib

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

I prefer the loose interpretation of Heraclitus' "Life is Flux, all else is Opinion".    Heraclitus was a material monist (fire being the substance all other "things" are somehow derived of...  possibly presaging the E/M unity as elaborated for us by Einstein) > My guess is you're a methodological

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

btful authorship or authenticity" is > from 1735. Properly plural (the single would be Apocryphon or > apocryphum), but commonly treated as a collective singular. > > Nick > >   > >   > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biol

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

I never met Hywel myself, but the stories of him are always apocryphal...  someday I expect all of the stories referencing Mulla Nasruden to reappear with Hywel as the central character. On 11/17/19 8:40 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Hywel was an experimental particle physicist and a regular Friam >

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

My ratiocination:     "There are two kinds of people.  Those who believe there are an irrational number of types of things, and those who don't." > Channeling Hywel, I hope accurately: There is no irrational number of > things of any type in the Universe > > ---

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Where does our resident hermeneuticist fit in the two following ideas? 1. Axiomatic Statements 2. The preamble of the US Constitution ("we hold these truths to be self-evident")         On 11/15/19 6:53 AM, Prof David West wrote: > Nick mentioned earlier a concern about relativist talk in

Re: [FRIAM] Chaos Scientist Finds Hidden Financial Risks That Regulators Miss Oxford Professor Doyne Farmer is working with central banks to improve stress testing.

On 11/14/19 6:10 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Generative machine learning seems a heck of a lot easier than ABMs for > stress testing.  > Agent-based models, used in fields from biology to sociology, are bottom-up, simulating the messy interactions of hundreds and even millions of age

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

eing as dependent on that vehicle for my convenience and comfort... and on the collective implicit agreement of my neighbors who will participate in discouraging others from "re-owning" my vehicle (or the clothes drying on my line) and will share *their* owned resources (a spare vehicle, a

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

ther company couldn't get it. They aren't as bald-faced >> as calling their employees property though. They don't hesitate to use >> terms like "intellectual property", however. > On 11/14/19 3:50 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: >> I think this is a fair q

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

arding (gathering all the lizards up in a region)  or B) potential hoarding (establishing and maintaining the ability to gather them so much more efficiently than others so as to effectively hoard them). > > On 11/6/19 4:08 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: >> Glen loosely defines capit

Re: [FRIAM] Better self phone plan deals?

I switched to Fi 3 years ago and am generally very happy.   I ran 1 phone for under $40 for a year and have been running 2 for under $60 for the last two.   This low price depends heavily on my using my own WiFi network for *most* usage, and one of these phones gets *very little* Web/Mail use anywa

Re: [FRIAM] the Commons and Convenience

> Steve writes: > > < It is also hard to give up "convenience", once habituated toit. I can > barely imagine tying up a hardwired phone line to get 300 or 1200bps > internet service today... I think I'd probably do without somehow. I > once walked, ran, rode my bike miles and mile

[FRIAM] the Commons and Convenience

I'd say "it's hard to share"... any "Commons" and maybe even moreso when the Commons in question require big investment and technological development...   but I'm not quite sure why... it is as if whatever the Commons delivers, we expect more? It is also hard to give up "convenience", once habitua

[FRIAM] Enduring Stories

A minor tangent from the Isms perhaps, but related I think: https://www.brainpickings.org/2015/06/16/neil-gaiman-how-stories-last/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscr

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

>   > > The answer to “everything is interpretation” is not obscurantism or > despair.  It’s Pragmatism.  > Well said Nick. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http:/

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Glen - > Re: leaving the interstitial space unmodeled being motivated reasoning > -- I struggled with that, mostly because I lamely qualified it twice: > 1) only sometimes and 2) only if you *cannot* multi-model it. My > emotional (?, intuitive maybe?) motivation is that I too often see > people s

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

DaveW - > As a card carrying Hermeneutic "Hermeneuticsis the art of understanding and of making oneself understood" - Wikipedia > From the viewpoint of someone who knows/believes/understands everything to be > Interpretation, this is a silly assertion. Interpretation of "received wisdom" conventi

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

I feel trepidatious to even try to weigh in here, but try I shall (unless I delete my attempt before I ).   I agree with Glen's point about the author conflating "C" with little "c" capitalism.   I am a reformed Capitalist who continues to practice capitalism on a daily basis, though not always *p

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

This was one of the best threads in a while IMO.   I was still studying the background material from the OP moral foundations theory (MFT) and the flagship study as I caught up with the evolving thread.   I am still fascinated by the MFT work, etc... The AOC/Warren v Zuckerberg/FB examples were ver

Re: [FRIAM] John Steinbeck in the 21st century

> Jochen, > >   > > */ /* > > */“WEAK”??/* > > Suh!   Pistols at Dawn! > /One bright day, in the middle of the night two young boys stood up to fight back to back they faced the other drew their swords and shot one another / >   > =

Re: [FRIAM] John Steinbeck in the 21st century

ads.com/book/show/401670.Beyond_the_Outer_Shores > > -Jochen > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > ---- Original message > From: Steven A Smith > Date: 10/25/19 16:53 (GMT+01:00) > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] John Steinbeck in the 21st

Re: [FRIAM] John Steinbeck in the 21st century

Jochen - It is interesting that you would have read "Mockingbird" and "Animal Farm" in school... do you mind sharing when/where that was?  This probably qualifies as a threadbender, but your reference to Steinbeck and implications for the 21st century struck me.  On a recent pleasure/work trip I

Re: [FRIAM] John Steinbeck in the 21st century

I did watch the first episode (Watchmen) and it tweaked my morbid fascination (where is the boundary with cynical obsession)... it was very well done, and in fact I watched it a second time to pick up a good dozen more tiny clues to the alternate sheaf in the multiverse.  I did my time as a Comic

Re: [FRIAM] Unmediated perception - sheldrake

of blending with, homeopathy >> and the like cure like, the dilution of "stuff" til there is >> no stuff left, but the "water has memory." >> >>   >> >> All based, of cours

Re: [FRIAM] Optimization problem

efully. > > How about some nice thick wall pvc? > > Carl > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 17:48 Steven A Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: > > Gary - > > I understand better now... > > I definitely agree that the *most* naive eyeballing meth

Re: [FRIAM] Optimization problem

tra (even potentially > useful in the future) pieces left over, I'd rather use my (and > FRIAM's) brain to look at possible ways of optimizing this. Kind of > fun actually putting my mind to something for a change (retirement can > be boring if you're not careful). > >

Re: [FRIAM] Optimization problem

Gary - I *patently don't* recommend my method, though it does have some charms.   I recently was faced with a similar problem to yours where I needed to cut and install trim around the perimeter of the room (with door openings) I just layed hardwood floor in.   Rather than go into it in detail (I

Re: [FRIAM] Unmediated perception - sheldrake

ose.  > So, on average, it doesn’t pay to be a loonie-croney.  That’s the > paradox.  This leads me to the conclusion that madness is a form of > altruism.  > >   > > Nick > >   > >   > >   > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biol

Re: [FRIAM] Unmediated perception - sheldrake

Dave - > > It seems like the ideas that seem to capture my imagination - > Sheldrake, quantum consciousness among them - tend to be labeled as > "pseudo." This is annoying, first because my hermeneutical hackles > bristle whenever anyone tries to  assert their interpretation as > privileged over so

Re: [FRIAM] Unmediated perception - sheldrake

Glen_who_can_be_such_a_rhetor - I had the pleasure (no scare quotes) of working with a statistician at LANL who was a trained "rhetoritician"...  I don't think I would want to imply anything distasteful about him or his work... it was often obscure to me but a powerful theme in the larger theme of

Re: [FRIAM] Autophagy (was Re: Unmediated perception - sheldrake)

And at their retail/service storefront, you are greeted with "Donner, party of two?" and a toothy grin? On 9/17/19 12:43 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > Because I'm a fan of all things fake (fake news, homeopathy, numerology, > speculations about consciousness, etc.), I can't help but be interested in > fa

Re: [FRIAM] Unmediated perception - sheldrake

ything — and when I was > reading that it seemed to "resonate with Sheldrake." Being quite vague > here, because the book is back home, but when I return I will pick it > up and look at it again. > > davew > > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, at 11:56 PM, Steven A Smith w

Re: [FRIAM] Unmediated perception - sheldrake

Dave - Sympathetic Resonance is a well accepted, even fairly easy to observe phenomenon in the overt physical world (e.g. stringed musical instruments).   Sheldrake seems to *start* from there and then go *all over the place* with it.   I don't have a problem of positing that there are higher-lev

Re: [FRIAM] Unmediated perception - sheldrake

t; Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > >   > > *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven > A Smith > *Sent:* Sunday, September 15, 2019 5:32 PM > *To:* friam@re

Re: [FRIAM] Unmediated perception - sheldrake

> Interesting, David.  With most people I find that if we talk long > enough, we disagree; with you it mostly works the other way.  Thank you. > >   > > Nick > > Looks like a case of morphic resonance to me! FRIAM Applied Complexity Gro

Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM email delivery and reliability (was: Re: query and observation)

Touche' APF-O standin McGuerin!   I know that ole Doc Strangelove has been very quiet for some time.   Your Symposiarch would seem to be a good stand in for a D&D master and the threads on this list not unlike Zingale's aforementioned D&D campaigns. I do sense burps in the list myself (usually a

Re: [FRIAM] query and observation

ou can doff or don their "interface". More speculatively, > > > I've had a lot of trouble sympathizing with the idiots who voted for > > > Trump. But I can divide any 2 Trump supporters into those who *refuse* > > > to make "metaphysical" statements

Re: [FRIAM] Thx for the traffic

On 9/13/19 12:19 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > One application distributed ledger systems have for currency is > precisely as mechanism to bypass regulation. > > A common reason for the bypass is crime.   Another reason is as an > organizational tool against those in power who abuse it.   It doesn

Re: [FRIAM] quickening

Jon - Congratulations on your fresh parentage...  the perfect (long) moment to consider many issues around the meaning of life, consciousness, etc. (as you are). Of note it is interesting what you juxtapose:   Playing D&D with someone who you are also (out of band from the game) discussing phenom

Re: [FRIAM] query and observation

tence of objective truths about most or all moral issues. In particular, >> many of them had the intuition that whether moral sentences are true depends >> both on their own moral beliefs and on the dominant moral beliefs within >> their culture (“anti-realist pluralism”).

Re: [FRIAM] query and observation

We love our "flocking" models but FRIAM is less of a 'birds-of-a-feather'  group than something much harder to similize.  It feels to me that some of our conversations are a bit flocky or schooly (rarely herdy) but others are more geophysical like flares or eruptions...  a good schoolyard "pileon"

Re: [FRIAM] query and observation

Dave - I had noticed a slowdown a while back, but being on the road for 3 weeks myself, I haven't contributed or really noticed the grinding halt until now as you call it out.  By coincidence I had dinner and beers with Glen along the way, and I'm pretty sure he has brought Hoffman's work up here

Re: [FRIAM] abduction and casuistry

Maybe, but I'm literally on my way to visit Glen in Portland.   Actually... to visit daughter and grandson and much more but hoping to see him on the trip!   I'll take a closer look in the next few days and see if there is anything I can add. - Steve On 8/22/19 7:25 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Hi,

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Archangel Michael's Message For You

Merle - I am fairly new to the nighttime talk shows... I certainly saw a few handfuls of Carsons and Lettermans over the decades but about 3 years ago I started watching Colbert (nearly) nightly and then began to spill over on the other News-as-Comedy characters.   You mention Trevor Noah, and I h

[FRIAM] hacking the Socionome was: Archangel Michael's Message For You

It feels like (on the surface) that we are living in a time where a new level of evolution is occurring... if there is (metaphorically) anything such as a "Socionome", it feels like we are watching it being hacked right before our eyes.   In my childhood, it seems like occasionally a "chain letter

Re: [FRIAM] Archangel Michael's Message For You

I also am mildly fascinated by spam/phish mail.   Much of it, like Eric, leaves me wondering A) WHO would take the bait and why and B) WHAT are the mechanisms afoot?   I like to think that I am mildly more sophisticated than the average e-mail user but still likely subject to some of the more soph

Re: [FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

Marcus - > > Steve writes: > >   > > “Do we, as the painters of our own windows develop good skills and a > strong aesthetic awareness, or do we buy the cheap Hobby Lobby > colored-plexiglass stain-glass-by-by-number kit and copy patterns we > find on Pinterest or YouTube?” > >   > > It depends wh

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

Eric - Great weigh-in as usual! > Since in every “now” there is a need to navigate some choice of what > to do, and since the experience of each now is constantly being > superseded by the following now, the need to be constantly > constructing an experiential edifice is the relentless driver of

Re: [FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

ctice is beside the point: Shoddy > design should not be be enabled by developer tools. > > On 7/28/19, 9:23 PM, "Friam on behalf of Steven A Smith" > wrote: > > Anyone here who codes regularly (daily?) who thinks this is useful? > > As a

[FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

Anyone here who codes regularly (daily?) who thinks this is useful?   As an aging has-been, I can see how it could extend my semi-competence quite a long way... but could undermine something fundamental the way GPS seems to be undermining geospatial awareness and wayfinding skills? https://tabnin

Re: [FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts

glen∈ℂ wrote: > The 3 excerpts below seem to indicate the (my?) problem. At first, I > though Marcus was agreeing with me by listing options for > harm-of-eating-animals. But then he goes toward monism-by-unification > with "agreeing on what matters" and > whole-equilibrium-implies-part-equilibriu

Re: [FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts

Marcus wrote: > > One might argue that is harmful to eat animals. One way argue that would be > to imagine that you were to be eaten. How would you feel?That assumes > that all species are equally valuable or perceive things in a comparable way. > A hedonist might argue that the pleasu

Re: [FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts

Marcus - > The refusal to optimize on one dimension is in general a good policy. I assume you mean this in the sense of "single issue voters" and in the more general sense of multivariate optimization being more "effective" than univariate in general problem solving? >And illustrating the inter

Re: [FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts

eful for their purposes in an analogous way to using edged stones to slice open and separate animal hides from flesh and fascia, to separate tendons and sinew for use in stitching and binding, to separate digestible portions from non-digestible, to pre-masticate, etc.   - Steve > >

Re: [FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts

Glen - I keyboarded a typically long and torturous contribution to this thread early on, but decided to hold it back and look for a more succinct response.  Some high points, in summary: 1. Stick and Stones ... 2. Passive-Aggressive modes/roles in Kolmogorov Models 3. Outlier identification wi

Re: [FRIAM] Meeting of the Mother Church

umed that the wifi network, polity, doesn’t have the > bandwidth. No? > > --Barry > > On 2 Jun 2019, at 15:06, Steven A Smith wrote: > > I can't believe you guys don't just Skype (FaceTime, > GoogleHangout, Video IRC, ... ) Nick in on Fridays?  You can set >

Re: [FRIAM] Meeting of the Mother Church

at the wifi network, polity, doesn’t have the > bandwidth. No? > > --Barry > > On 2 Jun 2019, at 15:06, Steven A Smith wrote: > > I can't believe you guys don't just Skype (FaceTime, > GoogleHangout, Video IRC, ... ) Nick in on Fridays?  You can set > th

Re: [FRIAM] Meeting of the Mother Church

rofessor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > >   > > *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven > A Smith > *Sent:* Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:11 PM > *To:* The Friday M

Re: [FRIAM] Meeting of the Mother Church

On Fri, May 31, 2019, 8:38 AM Frank Wimberly > mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >   > > ------- > Frank Wimberly > >

Re: [FRIAM] Meeting of the Mother Church

rank_Wimberly2 >> >> Phone (505) 670-9918 >> >>   >> >> On Fri, May 31, 2019, 8:38 AM Frank Wimberly >> mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>   >> >> --- &

Re: [FRIAM] Meeting of the Mother Church

Phone (505) 670-9918 > >   > > On Fri, May 31, 2019, 8:38 AM Frank Wimberly > mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >   > > --- > Frank Wimberly > >

Re: [FRIAM] Meeting of the Mother Church

Nick - My father who grew up in the east but spent his adult life in the west used to say whenever he visited the east: "So green it hurts your eyes!" Perhaps your ticks will eventually fill the niche our desert tortoises do out here?  Well, except with Lyme Disease instead of Salmonella. - Stev

[FRIAM] Fwd: SpaceX's Starlink constellation and space debris

>From a friend who likes to (over)think things like many of us here do... Forwarded Message Subject:SpaceX's Starlink constellation and space debris Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 08:23:08 -0500 From: Jack Horner To: 'Jack Horner'   This blurb may be of some inter

Re: [FRIAM] starlink trail

; > > On Mon, May 27, 2019, at 9:12 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: >> >> >> I was born "under the rising sign of Sputnik" in 1957 (S1 & S2 went >> up late that year).   I was just about 1 year old when Explorer 1 and >> then Vanguard 1 went up in early 19

Re: [FRIAM] starlink trail

I was born "under the rising sign of Sputnik" in 1957 (S1 & S2 went up late that year).   I was just about 1 year old when Explorer 1 and then Vanguard 1 went up in early 1958. Vanguard 1, 2, 3 are still up there, being in an unusually high orbit for the time.   The crowdsource Moonwatch

[FRIAM] Words RE: Words - Narrative Bending - Emergence, oh my!

I've been hosting my colleagues (Matt and Janire, who some may remember from SFx) from Wales/Spain this last week.   Janire is doing a book signing at PhotoEye Gallery this afternoon at 4PM for her book on Ed Grothus and the Black Hole - "Atomic Ed" . https://calendar.sfrepor

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

Nick - > That's both a tautology AND an oxymoron. Did you just exclude the law of the excluded middle?  How very human of you! > > "How do we explain consciousness?" in any way that is not inane. (Geez, was > that a quadruple negative?) And a 4 dimensional version of same?   - Steve ===

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

Nick - >I think of “pain” as a damage sensor.  I think of "pain" as a "threat" indicator.  A great deal of the pain I've experienced in my life was not really commensurate with the damage that has already occurred.   Touching a hot stove doesn't always lead to significant damage if you react qui

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexico Legacy

I am in the midst of copy-editing my partner's  (Mary) own memoir of about 300 pages, she has been a spotty journal keeper throughout her adult life, but the sections where she IS able to include quotes from "that moment" are acutely real.   She is also a poet, so various poems written at those mom

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexico Legacy

Frank - I'm glad to see a resurgence of interest in your memoir.  It is a testimony to the ease of self-publication that you were able to do this so well and seamlessly.   I don't know what kind of editing help you had but the result was very good for something self-published.   Typography, layout

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

Glen - I find this discussion very provocative in the best way as well.  When I was working on the problem of helping researchers visualize the Gene Ontology, we were trying to do several things at once, though I'm not sure we were that clear on that as we did it.   We were a small heterogenous te

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

I KNEW that confirmation bias was a problem and NOW this confirms it! I TOLEYA! On 4/24/19 5:25 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > Our World Isn't Organized into Levels > https://philpapers.org/rec/POTOWI?ref=mail > >> In my view, our adherence to the levels concept in the face of the >> systematic problems >>

Re: [FRIAM] Trans/Post Homo Erectus/Sapiens/Faber/Hiveus

Dave - > Replying mostly to Steve's post about psychedelics /CAW, Thanks for helping spin this fibre into the thread... > I was a member of the Minneapolis Nest of CAW It is good to have a first-hand report. I vaguely remember that _Smith_ might have used the term "Nest" which for some reason in

Re: [FRIAM] Trans/Post Homo Erectus/Sapiens/Faber/Hiveus

On 4/18/19 8:17 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Going back to the original thread you split (subject line), I would > probably have more concern for parallax if I thought there were > different perspectives and some kind of nuance that was at risk.    > Metaphorically speaking, we aren’t driving in

Re: [FRIAM] Trans/Post Homo Erectus/Sapiens/Faber/Hiveus

> < We can turn up the brightness and narrow the focus to maximize flux, > but for many problems, that is not unlike hitting our high beams in a > snowstorm or fogbank.   One of the things I hope (mostly in vain, but > not entirely) for from this list is discussion of how to apply Complex > System

Re: [FRIAM] Trans/Post Homo Erectus/Sapiens/Faber/Hiveus

Marcus - > > < I personally expect *practical* post/transhumanism to continue > inevitably at an accelerated rate and see no advantage in trying to > stand in it's way, but DO feel an ethical drive to try to at least > caution against the kinds of technological-outrunning-of-headlights I > believe

[FRIAM] Trans/Post Homo Erectus/Sapiens/Faber/Hiveus

t) proponent of fairly aggressive trans-humanism, can you elaborate on what you see as the biggest promises/cautions to the ideas involved?  Do you see my "caution" as wrong headed, or just irrelevant (in practice)? - Steve >   > >   > > *From: *Friam on behalf of Steven

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

Dave/Glen - What I'm hearing about some European youth cultures seems very promising.  I can't begin to know what to attribute it to, and I feel mildly superstitious about trying to describe it as a "new precedent" that might presage a fundamental cultural shift following that demographic. Refere

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

Frank - Thanks for offering up Anne La Mott's clever words here.  Whether she can match FriAM's pedantic dives into obscure (and to some trivial or irrelevant?) topics is up for question, but she certainly has a much more humorous delivery than most of us and can be nicely pithy. Glen - Your que

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

Frank - I think the quantification of "generations" is at least a little more useful than Astrology.   I have a hard time believing that the specific timing of the rising of constellations has that much effect on individual constitution and personality (and fate?), though the time of year one goes

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Glen - I (think I) experience identity-fluidity through both the "group flow" referenced in the article and what seems to be nothing more than good old fashioned "empathy".   In "group flow" it is as if the team/group becomes part of my extended self.  This may reflect some narcissism on my part,

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Marcus - > Among engineers, especially young ones, one way the ego-centric individual > presents herself is via Not Invented Here (NIH). She simply cannot imagine > studying and using another work.The tribe permits it so long as the tribe > can be impermeable to criticism and that they can

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Marcus - > Steve writes: > > < It seems like an elaboration of "constraint provides form"? > > > Here I'll admit I just have no interest in games, puzzles, and most sports. > Just what IS the point? > I think it is the same kind of psychology at work: Let's create some > artificial thing that

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Marcus - > Glen writes: > > "What mechanism is responsible for these patterns of expectation, given (what > seems to me) a co-evolutionary milieu far from equilibrium? Is it simply > Hebbian/reinforcement learning, an embodied type of (false) induction? I'm > skeptical because of your (Steve)

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Glen - > On 4/10/19 1:34 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: >> https://sites.google.com/site/markshirey/ideas/golden-rule-and-prisoner-s-dilemma >> > > Excellent article!  Thanks. Is it actually an article by Sagan?  Or a > blog post by Shirey? I parse it as a blog post by Shire

Re: [FRIAM] FVPS 2019

Glen - It does look very interesting.   I think I've referenced THIS (inter-reality) work before: https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0611293 as well as the Phononic quantum computing my nephew has been working on. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/428844/how-to-build-a-phononic-computer/ w

Re: [FRIAM] da foist pictures of a black hole

Nick-  I think Eric provides an excellent AND thorough analysis of your question "It's a metaphor, right?" in regard to the recently documented "black hole". For your purposes, I would say that "seeing a black hole" in this case is not particularly metaphorical.  But in the spirit of FriAM (or my

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

ood stamps?  I > suppose there's data on that, somewhere.  > >   > > Nick > >   > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > >   >

[FRIAM] Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Marcus wrote, in response to Glen: > In the end, life is just a struggle for power. I think this is technically accurate, but may carry a cynicism which ignores some subtleties along the way?  It invokes the image attributed (I think) to Tennyson and perhaps exploited by Dawkins to provide contra

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

Gary wrote: > I'm not a big fan of "why" questions. I think "why" is just an excuse > for not wanting to admit that we don't know "what" in sufficient > detail. To misquote Yoda, "There is no Why. What, or what not.". My framing of this is that "a well enough posed question has a self-evident answ

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

I'll see your Shepherd-mix and Heeler and raise you a purebred Akita and a Doberman mix.   Our Akita is as aloof and singularly loyal as they are reputed to be while our Dobie is as high-energy and Skitchy as THEY can be reputed to be.   But what seems to dominate our little family (2 adult humans,

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

Glen (and Marcus) - Interesting points to ponder... I definitely don't ascribe to "one size fits all" in any domain where I have personal experience.   My personal experience differs from both of yours *and* from that implied by the article.  My experience is subjective of course.   I *feel* like

[FRIAM] Income Equality

On 3/31/19 11:20 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > > Speakingof the non-adjacent impossible, I woke up the other morning > with a fantasy of being in some sort large community meeting, and > standing up and asking the question: > >   > > */"Why /**/èexactly/**/ç is it that everybody shouldn't have the sa

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

Nick - "Little Black Sambo" BTW... did you know that the author of the above was the grandmother of the Physicist who discovered the Higgs Boson (and the Higgs-Kibbel mechanism)? > I don't ever intend to discount that metaphor (analogical thinking) > can be abused...  and I believe that the

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

Marcus - I commend you for your ability to remain distant from the subject...   I do believe there is an analogy to the Observer Effect in quantum theory which suggests that one *never* decouples entirely from anything,  though such invocation might represent an abuse of the metaphor and risks ind

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

low … > >   > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > >   > > *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven > A Smith &g

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

Nick - Thank you for your kind words. > We were doing SO WELL until we got to … oh, see my “HORSEFEATHERS!” > below. > I'll see your HORSEFEATHERS and raise you a CONFLATION ALERT! > >   > > */[NST==>/**/HORSEFEATHERS!/**/One or two generations of > sociobiologists were directed away from group

Re: [FRIAM] TheoremDep

Glen - > Yes, I can see that. The answer(s) to the question, though, is still > interesting. I tried to allude to it by offering the 3 alternatives: chain, > tree, mesh from the foundations up to "sophisticated" conclusions. It seems > to me that if one reacts to something like TheoremDep wit

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

On 3/28/19 1:20 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > > Steve, ‘n all, > >   > > Just to be cranky, I want to remind everybody that ALL language use, > except perhaps tautological expressions, is metaphorical. > I ascribe to this idea as well, following Lakoff and Johnson in their 1980 _Metaphors we Live by_

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