Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread David Eric Smith
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Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread Steve Smith
> Every time I write "passive", Android mail client auto-completes it as > "passive aggressive".   I also find auto-complete/correct to verge on passive aggressive itself sometimes.   I'm not sure where the UX for these began to change to "remember" when you "uncorrect" and allows you your idiosy

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
ychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of jon zingale > Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread thompnickson2
rk University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of jon zingale Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 12:53 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion Agreed! Pinker is a smug jerk. -- Sent from: <http://fri

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2020-08-09 Thread jon zingale
Agreed! Pinker is a smug jerk. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.co

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
Agreed! No sé nada aquí. No swimming here, right? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Aug 9, 2020, 12:34 PM Diane McCorkle wrote: > I agree with you, Dad, but have never seen “se gusta.” > > Gustar is a verb with an implicit direct

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread thompnickson2
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of jon zingale Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 12:00 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion ... and just

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2020-08-09 Thread jon zingale
... and just for additional fun, Glen recently posted this video of Stephen Pinker on style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5J6BfToSw&feature=youtu.be&t=1455 The link above is queued to the moment where Strunk and White recommend (while using the passive voice) avoiding the passive voice.

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2020-08-09 Thread jon zingale
... and what about the connections between a revolutionary function of vulgarity[⁕], and dissent from legitimized grammar and style? [⁕] https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/05/the-necessity-of-political-vulgarity -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-.

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
Those French! They have a word for everything! Apologies to Steve Martin. I think, as your translations demonstrate, English also has impersonal constructions. But I think we use them less. They're probably correct that we're excessively assertive. And we know what they think of Germans. "Mi

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread jon zingale
Yes, but who will write the definitive book style guide for *sabir*[†], the _man_ able to do what the British did for the Ramayana! [†] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Lingua_Franca -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread thompnickson2
: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion It's usually obvious from.the context who/what "it" is. People do say "yo gusto" but like "yo te gusto?" Do you like me? And sometimes to be cute "tu gustas?"

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2020-08-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
It's usually obvious from.the context who/what "it" is. People do say "yo gusto" but like "yo te gusto?" Do you like me? And sometimes to be cute "tu gustas?" which is incorrect. These examples are not passive voice. "Se gusta?" meaning "is it liked?" is passive voice. Any disagreements will

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-08 Thread thompnickson2
/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: thompnicks...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 11:30 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Cc: odensm...@friam.com Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Abducktion Thanks, jon, for digging up this old thread.

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2020-08-08 Thread thompnickson2
cks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 8:36 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduc

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-07 Thread Stephen Guerin
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:54 PM wrote: > Forgive me, but can you spell that out a bit? How does working in a > particular programming Language shape an approach to the problem. > As an example of FRIAM thread spelunking, here's a 2005 entry from the late great Mike Agar on programming languages

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2020-08-07 Thread thompnickson2
d Angel Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 4:43 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion Literally it says “it pleases me” which is the passive voice leading to the question who is “it?" ___ Ed Angel Founding Direct

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2020-08-07 Thread Steve Smith
I grew up with street Spanish (arroyo?) as a second language.   2/3 of my peers were descendants of Spanish (by then Mexico) settlers from the Socorro area who moved to the upper Gila watershed (San Francisco/Tularosa river confluence) whose grandparents may well have spoken no English, in spite of

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-07 Thread Edward Angel
Literally it says “it pleases me” which is the passive voice leading to the question who is “it?" ___ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Sa

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-07 Thread Gary Schiltz
I'm no grammar expert, even in my native English, but I don't believe "me gusta el cafe" is using passive voice. It literally says "coffee pleases me". Comments, Frank? But then, I may be confused about what passive voice is. On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Angel Edward wrote: > Isn’t it a conseq

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2020-08-07 Thread Angel Edward
Isn’t it a consequence of the routine use of the passive voice in Spanish as in “me gusta” instead of “yo gusto?” The passive voice is pretty much gone in textbooks but I occasionally I get objections from Spanish speakers who claim my textbook can’t be serious because I don’t use the passive v

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-07 Thread Gary Schiltz
Despite living in a Spanish speaking country for 12 years, I still struggle mightily with Spanish grammar. This is mainly due to laziness on my part, as well as lack of necessity to immerse myself in the language (there are a lot of English speakers here, not to mention expat groups on Facebook in

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-07 Thread Tom Johnson
Or the equally famous Spanish phrase, "The pencil broke itself." A phrase which you think I would remember. TJ Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c)

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-07 Thread Frank Wimberly
In Spanish if you drop your cup you say, "See me cayó la taza". A literal word--for-word translation is "The cup fell itself on me". Some people say this is an effort to avoid responsibility. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-07 Thread Merle Lefkoff
I'm in Seattle hugging my 10th grader and worried about inept educational programs as the new school year begins. Very little creative thinking on the part of public school bureaucracies. Lucky for Seattle students, the citizen-elected school board is resisting the "expert" educators. https://ww

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-07 Thread Prof David West
Long time ago, as part of my cognitive anthropology studies, i had a lot of data about relationships among natural languages and programming languages (e.g. Native Hindi speakers learned Prolog, Pascal and SQL much faster than native English speakers) and between/among programming languages (e.g

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-07 Thread Barry MacKichan
Very much so. We hired a grad student a long time ago (he stayed with us until he retired). He wrote great Pascal programs. He wrote great Pascal programs in C++, and in JavaScript. The effect of your first programming language on style, idioms, and your feelings about recursion and encapsulati

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-06 Thread thompnickson2
--Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of jon zingale Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:35 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion Maybe Friam itself could be my hammer? Nick, if you would like to chat programming languages tomorrow on zoom I would love to. -- Sent from: ht

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2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Maybe Friam itself could be my hammer? Nick, if you would like to chat programming languages tomorrow on zoom I would love to. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p

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2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Nick, When not much is happening on the list, I like to go spelunking through the archives and engage the serendipity of the stacks. What amazes me most is how often the same ideas, conversations, and approaches have materialized since 2003. With so much content here, I wonder to what extent a bot

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2020-08-06 Thread thompnickson2
cks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:17 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

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2020-08-06 Thread Gary Schiltz
riam On Behalf Of jon zingale > > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 6:35 PM > > To: friam@redfish.com > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion > > > > Ha! It's good to see that 7 years later the advice is effectively the same, > > "Hey

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-06 Thread thompnickson2
/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of jon zingale Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 6:35 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion Ha! It's good to see that 7 years later the advice is effectively the same, "Hey Nick! listen to what the Haskell crowd

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2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Ha! It's good to see that 7 years later the advice is effectively the same, "Hey Nick! listen to what the Haskell crowd has to say about your problem!!!" -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lists

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2013-04-23 Thread Russ Abbott
Right. Type inferencing is a wonderful and powerful feature of some systems. Scala-user has it also. On Apr 23, 2013 5:59 AM, "Marcus G. Daniels" wrote: > On 4/22/13 8:52 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > > Let’s say some programmer in the future, working with your program creates > a variable, goo

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2013-04-23 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 4/22/13 8:52 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Let's say some programmer in the future, working with your program creates a variable, goose, that also waddles, quacks (sort of) and tastesgoodincassoulets. Is there any way for the program to output to the programmer, "don't you mean 'duck?". T

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2013-04-22 Thread Nicholas Thompson
ot;. Nick Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:37 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Cc: mikeby...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM,

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2013-04-22 Thread Russell Standish
You're right. I was forgetting about java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke. But it is a PITA doing things that way, whereas C++ generic programming is designed for duck typing. Cheers On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 08:16:01PM -0600, Joshua Thorp wrote: > You can do Duck typing in Java via methods requiring O

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2013-04-22 Thread Joshua Thorp
You can do Duck typing in Java via methods requiring Objects (the base class of all other Java objects) and using reflection to test for various properties. But it is working against the grain of the language to do so. Intersting run down of various implementations here: http://en.wikipedia.or

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2013-04-22 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:37:09PM -0600, Owen Densmore wrote: > > In duck typing, one is concerned with just those aspects of an object that > are used, rather than with the type of the object itself. For example, in a > non-duck-typed language, one can create a function that takes an object of >

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2013-04-22 Thread Owen Densmore
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Nicholas Thompson < nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > This also is very interesting. Peirce typing, as you put it, equals > “abduction”. Is “Duck Typing” a term of art, somewhere? Or is that your > neologism. I like it. > > ** ** > > Actually, from Pe

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2013-04-22 Thread Nicholas Thompson
This also is very interesting. Peirce typing, as you put it, equals "abduction". Is "Duck Typing" a term of art, somewhere? Or is that your neologism. I like it. Actually, from Peirce's point of view, I perhaps made a mistake with "It's a duck!" (Some might say I was guilty of a can