Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-05 Thread Phil Henshaw
Hmmm,. that does seem to be a problem for me sometimes.Didn't you build on other people's ideas and incorporate them in you models, and so create an inheritance connection between them? Phil Henshaw NY NY www.synapse9.com On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Phil Henshaw wrote: Th

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-05 Thread James Steiner
> But if you are > interested in the best current thinking about a subject, why should you care > how people thought about it 4 centuries ago? Do I really care about > Aristotelian physics, for example, if I want to know how the physical world > works? I would say, "No" what I really want to know i

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Steve Smith
Doug - Methinks that that cartilaginous shrapnel has been traveling from knee to brain. A distillation of said yeasty brew might be better at dissolving the blockages. -Steve Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2009, at 9:04 PM, "Douglas Roberts" wrote: my poor, befuddled brain. I' seri

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Douglas Roberts wrote: I seriously doubt that there is a one-size-fits-all taxonomy classifier for ABMs that will produce anything other than "No shit!" rudimentary descriptive information about any given ABM. It might be informative to see map of invented conceptual attributes and applications

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Douglas Roberts
Ok, Marcus. But what does that buy the developer of a C^3I (Command, Control, Communications, and Intelligence) war gaming ABM? Or and ABM of the pork bellies market? Or an ABM of celestial mechanics? Or an ABM of the braking system of a Boeing 787 Dreamliner? Or an ABM of a specific social ne

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Russ Abbott wrote: But if you are interested in the best current thinking about a subject, why should you care how people thought about it 4 centuries ago? What if there are common processes behind learning and insight and they are general and timeless? ===

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Nicholas Thompson wrote: But what then about cladistics. Cladistics is a dark art of classification that uses a variety of obscure incantations to lable relations amongst species without, so far as I understand, any reference to evolution. Yet, as I understand it, cladistics is not arbitra

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Douglas Roberts
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Phil Henshaw wrote: > The basis of taxonomy is the developmental sequences of the forms > themselves, so in the case of ABM's it would be finding who built on whose > ideas and model parts.It's basically a time network map of parentage > and offspring, which

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Phil Henshaw
On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:39 PM To: nickthomp...@earthlink.net Cc: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists Since my prejudice as a programmer is that almost any abstraction is likely to be useful, then since taxonomies tend to reveal inter

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Joshua Thorp
I don't know anything about cladistics, so I don't know whether this fits with it. ABMs can have many different parents, often not directly known. I'm not sure parentage in any strict sense would be a particularly good approach. Better would be to identify separate patterns in how the A

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Russ Abbott
NIck > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, > Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) > > > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Russ Abbott > *To: *nickthomp...@earthlink.net;The Friday Morning Applied Complexity > Coffee Group >

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
.net;The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: 1/3/2009 2:16:02 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists Hi Nick, What's wrong with this argument? My wife teaches what's known as Early Modern English, which means English literature, culture, etc. in the

Re: [FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Russ Abbott
Hi Nick, What's wrong with this argument? My wife teaches what's known as Early Modern English, which means English literature, culture, etc. in the late 16th and early 17th centuries. She is interested in how people thought about things in her period as well as how those ways of thinking develop

[FRIAM] Callling all cladisticists

2009-01-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
All, For those of you who werent there, last friday, we got into an intersting discussion about the possibility of taxonomies of agent based models. Are there only a few basic types? Are many apparently different agent based models, deployed for widely different purposes, fundamentally only