On 11/3/13 11:55 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
I had composed a big email about the quoted statement below, but it
was too wandering for my taste, so the parallel universe FruAM group,
and Curl received that one. The FriAM group and Carl will get a more
succinct response.
He loves his country, l
I had composed a big email about the quoted statement below, but it was too
wandering for my taste, so the parallel universe FruAM group, and Curl
received that one. The FriAM group and Carl will get a more succinct
response.
> He loves his country, like any real American. This is my impression.
>
s his country, like any
real American. This is my impression.
-J.
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From: Carl Tollander
Date: 03/11/2013 05:44 (GMT+01:00)
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message from Moscow
My understanding is that it is renewable each
Pamela, Jochen, et al-
I wonder how it is that many of us claim that what Snowden disclosed,
"we already knew", yet it takes his overt disclosure to raise our ire?
I'm asking this as genuinely as I can, not trying to undermine the
(possible) transformation underway, but trying to refine it's
Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Jochen. If I were Frau Merkel, I'd be damned
mad myself. As today's NY Times put it, the National Security Agency "emerges
as an electronic omnivore of staggering capabilities, eavesdropping and hacking
its way around the world to strip governments and other tar
Good argument. Still, if one elected heroism, one should act a
bit heroically . . .
On Sunday, November 3, 2013, Pamela McCorduck wrote:
> I agree with Joshua. All this biz about being honorable is fine when the
> other side is too. But we have so much evidence that it isn't.
>
> I'm getting som
I agree with Joshua. All this biz about being honorable is fine when the other
side is too. But we have so much evidence that it isn't.
I'm getting some shocking (though unverifiable by me) reports on how the FBI
has been treating "friends of friends" of the two Boston Marathon bombers. We
kno
My understanding is that it is renewable each year.
There is no particular evidence that his politics are especially
"green". Has he said he would especially like to get asylum in a
'western' country? Why would he risk going someplace new based on a
promise of what is "legally possible"? D
Everybody who cares to: sign the petition.
-- Owen
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>
> His asylum in Russia is temporary, it is limited to a
> year. He would like to get asylum in a western country.
> And most of all he would like to testify before members of
> the US co
His asylum in Russia is temporary, it is limited to a
year. He would like to get asylum in a western country.
And most of all he would like to testify before members of
the US congress. From what I have read today, it is legally
possible that the German government denies the extradition
to the US
Why would he want asylum in Germany? Not that that might not be spiffy
from some perspectives, but still
Nice letter, with the font and all. Diplomatically says, no, would
have to be insane to take you up on your kind offer. Might be fun to
have a beer in Munich someday, but you know
S'funny - I thought the Right celebrated illegal acts of political
protest. Remember the Boston TEA PARTY?
My wife tells the story of when she first learned to read and cried for
hours because she saw there was a (Tea) Party on the calendar and she
wasn't invited.
On 11/1/13 12:07 PM, Jos
Good question, Pamela. I don't know. Yes, there is a chance.
At the moment probably not, the pressure from the US is too
strong, but the situation is about to change slowly.
The German government already denied asylum to Snowden
a few months ago. Now the situation has changed, though.
The Chance
Well, One must admit that the original Tea Party acted in disguise and
didn't stick around to get arrested.
On Friday, November 1, 2013, Grant Holland wrote:
> S'funny - I thought the Right celebrated illegal acts of political
> protest. Remember the Boston TEA PARTY?
>
>
> On 11/1/13 12:07 PM,
S'funny - I thought the Right celebrated illegal acts of political
protest. Remember the Boston TEA PARTY?
On 11/1/13 12:07 PM, Joshua Thorp wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/nov/01/snowden-nsa-files-surveillance-revelations-decoded
Why does the conversation always hi
http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/nov/01/snowden-nsa-files-surveillance-revelations-decoded
Why does the conversation always hinge on Snowden's morality? We all knew the
US government is rotten -- so no news there? But an individual breaking an
oath to hide this fact -- that is
On 11/1/13 10:55 AM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
I'd have much more respect for him if he'd stayed in the US and
accepted the attendant risks acting on his ideals.
Barring that, I'd have more respect for him if he would be (yet more)
clear that he understood that what he was doing was illegal, not jus
I'd have much more respect for him if he'd stayed in the US and accepted
the attendant risks acting on his ideals.
On Friday, November 1, 2013, Steve Smith wrote:
> The whole thing (Snowden's disclosures and the fallout from it) is riddled
> with half-truths and misplaced strong rhetoric... I mea
The whole thing (Snowden's disclosures and the fallout from it) is
riddled with half-truths and misplaced strong rhetoric... I mean the
whole situation, not just Snowden's statements... his are perhaps the
*least* egregious but egregious nonetheless.
He tries to paint his patently *illegal act
Snowden's supervisors should be arrested for dereliction of duty. Oh, but I
forgot, anarcho-capitalism teaches that government employees, including
military officers, can never be competent, effective, or preferable to
profit-driven and self-interested contractors. Even in matters of espionage.
BT
On 11/01/2013 06:04 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
A high ranking German politician has spoken with Edward Snowden in Moscow. Here
is the letter he brought back:
http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-32616.pdf
"I am confident that with the support of the international community,
the government of the Un
Any chance Germany will give Snowden asylum, Jochen?
On Nov 1, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
> A high ranking German politician has spoken with Edward Snowden in Moscow.
> Here is the letter he brought back:
> http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-32616.pdf
>
> -J.
>
> Sent from Android
A high ranking German politician has spoken with Edward Snowden in Moscow. Here
is the letter he brought back:
http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-32616.pdf
-J.
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