Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-25 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
But Glen Your model still assumes there is a tangible benefit to the technology. That is how people in your Quadrant 1 can think "no matter what the cost, the benefit is worth it." But, again, if you had a few million dollars and a few years to plan, it would be really, really, ridiculously ea

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-24 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Owen Densmore wrote circa 10-11-24 10:01 AM: > Sez Bruce: Exactly two things have made airplane travel safer since > 9/11: reinforcing the cockpit door, and convincing passengers they > need to fight back. Everything else has been a waste of money. I'll pick _that_ nit! ;-) Anything that provides

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-24 Thread Owen Densmore
As Tory pointed out, Schneier is great (http://www.schneier.com/). One his recent posts included this: A short history of airport security: We screen for guns and bombs, so the terrorists use box cutters. We confiscate box cutters and corkscrews, so they put explosives in their sneakers. We scr

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-23 Thread Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky
...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella Sent: November 23, 2010 2:12 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky wrote circa 10-11-20 04:39 PM: > If we do

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-23 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky wrote circa 10-11-20 04:39 PM: > If we do not object then we deserve what we get. Now I understand how the > Jews walked into the death camps without protest. That always struck me as > out of character. Now our entire society is incapable of protest. The > psychology of h

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-21 Thread Parks, Raymond
e a muslim woman? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:00 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out Nick - Nah, Steve. I am

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-21 Thread Douglas Roberts
> > Heck, I've always been a Muslim woman... or at least I really enjoy playing > one on the internet! Drives the NSA boys NUTS! > > - Steve > > > > > *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com > [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] > *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Se

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-21 Thread Steve Smith
NUTS! - Steve *From:*friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith *Sent:* Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:00 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out Nick - Nah, S

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
o be a muslim woman? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:00 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out Nick - Nah, Steve. I

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-21 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - Nah, Steve. I am going to rain on this parade. Sorry. I wondered what that splashing/drizzling was all about! Thanks a lot! For years we all had our inseams measured without accusing tailors of homophilia. There is nothing inherently undignified in the search except that percept

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-20 Thread Victoria Hughes
I had just come to the same conclusion. If that's what they want, okay, but I am out of here. On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: This works especially well for politics. I think we deserve Sarah Palin as president. Nation of idiots, and all that... On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 a

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-20 Thread Douglas Roberts
This works especially well for politics. I think we *deserve* Sarah Palin as president. Nation of idiots, and all that... On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Victoria Hughes wrote: > > On Nov 20, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky wrote: > > If we do not object then we deserve what we get

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-20 Thread Victoria Hughes
On Nov 20, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky wrote: If we do not object then we deserve what we get. Yup. Used to be a bumper sticker "Silence is Consent". FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 a

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-20 Thread Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky
sh.com] On Behalf Of Victoria Hughes Sent: November 20, 2010 4:20 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; disc...@sfcomplex.org Subject: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out >From Bruce Schneier link to great blog post, comprehensive with lots of links, us

[FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-20 Thread Victoria Hughes
From Bruce Schneier link to great blog post, comprehensive with lots of links, useful for all who travel by air- Schneier on Security first few paragraphs- "TSA Backscatter X-ray Backlash Things are happening so fast that I don't know if I should bother. But here are some links and observat