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Mikhail,
I grant one can look at and dwell on the mysterious relation b
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Phil, I think it's a method of two Zen Buddhists checking each other by asking
koans (that are inaccessible to rational unde
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to ***define*** :-) --Mikhail
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From: Phil Henshaw
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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:37 PM
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Well, one of the most fascinating things about obse
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Hi Mikhail,
> That article in Wiki about Kolmogorov complexity
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov_complexity answers all these questions
> perfectly - better than me :-( ?
Hi Mikhail,
> That article in Wiki about Kolmogorov complexity
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov_complexity answers all these questions
> perfectly - better than me :-( ?
I am perfectly aware of Kolmogorov Complexity - but it does not answer
the questions posed below, unfortunately.
And
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> Could you say why those points are 'problems'? It seems to me that a
> situated "explanatory" complexity (as opposed
Message...let's use this: the minimal description, which "works". ? --Mikhail
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Mikhail Gorelkin wrote:
> Just two thoughts: 1) it seems that complexity is a more fundamental category
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The answer is simple: everything is an observational attribute! I found that
Yaneer's definition of complexity is... actually the
Kolmogorov complexity (also known as descriptive complexity):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov_
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Mikhail Gorelkin wrote:
> ...let's use this: the minimal description, which "works". ? --Mikhail
The problem is whether or not complexity is an inherent property or an
ascribed attribute. If it's an ascribed attribute, then the above is as
good a def
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Isn't the problem because 'complexity' is an observational attribute a
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...maybe a definition that to go with Yaneer's riddle, and that
fits
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It seems I found a more fundamental definition: So, if you want to
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To decide if a phenomena is complex maybe It's necessary to i
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Just two thoughts: 1) it seems that complexity is a more fu
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> Just two thoughts: 1) it seems that complexity is a more fundamental category
> than linearity / non-linearity, which are parts of a
> sophisticated ***formal*** system; 2) I assume there are types of complexity
> (and, theref
formal system (beyond linearity /
non-linearity). Something like Gödel's theorem. ? --Mikhail
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> Alfredo
Alfredo,
Good question. In fact, the question of the day, for the Hayes talk.
Mysterious non linear effects in Hayes data leading to the conclusion good
hearted efforts in one direction lead to the opposite result.
I guess "mysterious non-linearity" is a good clue that the phenomenon is
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