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2011-02-10 Thread glen
I found this documentary interesting: Ethos http://www.ethosthemovie.com/ Hosted by twice Oscar nominated actor and activist Woody Harrelson, Ethos lifts the lid on a Pandora's box of systemic issues that guarantee failure in almost every aspect of our lives; from the environment to democracy

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2011-01-05 Thread Owen Densmore
While I agree that we have responsibilities to understand the net/corporate environment and take our small stands, the more core issue is simply the network itself. Unfortunately, it is not easily managed by the private sector. The cellular network is not mobile .. you cannot take your

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2011-01-05 Thread glen
Steve Smith wrote circa 11-01-04 11:31 PM: I think maybe we are roughly on the same page. Mostly, yes. However, I didn't intend to focus on the reward/punish aspect. Sorry for the distraction. My primary point is about identification. What anyone does with the data gained by paying attention

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2011-01-05 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - I'm with you on the awareness angle... I appreciate your clarification about reward/punish, it is key, and helps illuminate what I was niggling at. Too often, in our drive to reward/punish, we occlude the rest of our awareness, we seek someone to blame or credit to the point of

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2011-01-04 Thread glen
Douglas Roberts wrote circa 01/03/2011 08:00 PM: Fuck 'em. There are 1,426 other mirrors, plus uncounted stealth mirrors out there ready to go live if needed. That misses the point, though. It's not about Wikileaks. It's about the (some particular, not all) corporations and the systemic

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2011-01-04 Thread Steve Smith
Glen Ropella wrote: Douglas Roberts wrote circa 01/03/2011 08:00 PM: Fuck 'em. There are 1,426 other mirrors, plus uncounted stealth mirrors out there ready to go live if needed. That misses the point, though. It's not about Wikileaks. It's about the (some particular, not all) corporations

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2011-01-04 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - I think maybe we are roughly on the same page. My concern boils down to something pretty simple. I believe that non-human entities, (e.g. corporations, governments, etc.) of a certain complexity, act like simple organisms which often means acting in parasitic and opportunistic ways.

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2011-01-03 Thread Glen Ropella G1
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/weakest-links-host-buckles-when-upstream-provider -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at

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2011-01-03 Thread Douglas Roberts
Fuck 'em. There are 1,426 other mirrors, plus uncounted stealth mirrors out there ready to go live if needed. --Doug On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Glen Ropella G1 g...@tempusdictum.comwrote: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/weakest-links-host-buckles-when-upstream-provider -- glen